Myconid Spore King - Monk Solo

[DeathsSilkyMist]

Originally Posted by Jimjam [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

I take Zu’s advice on competitive EQ, as like the game of love - the winning move is not to play.

'And everywhere I go, people ask me
"Valentine, what's your recipe for love?"
My answer's always the same
Cook the hell out of it and slice it.'
- Electric Six

[Samoht]

Originally Posted by DeathsSilkyMist [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

You can get 160 DEX from Avatar + FoS. Monks start with 85 DEX worst case if you are a Human. That means a naked Monk with Avatar + FoS has 235 DEX before gear. Monks want FoS + Avatar, so you will have those buffs in the endgame.

You can only get 50 STA from Riotous Health. 70 STA if you get Primal Essence, but that doesn't stack with Avatar. Monks will pick Avatar over Primal Essence every time.

You are correct that putting your starting stats into DEX does increase your chance of an earlier Avatar Proc for the initial proc. This benefit will be available after a corpse recovery or dispel as well.

Putting your starting stats into STA will give you a bit more wiggle room to swap out resist gear if needed without losing your capped STA, and an extra buff slot. You can use that extra buff slot for a DEX buff to get the earlier Avatar proc, and that DEX buff is better than the amount of starting stat points you get. Overall I'd say that makes STA better, unless you really want the initial Avatar proc edge after a corpse recovery/dispel.

Didn't want to call DSM out in the other thread because there's a high likelihood that he'd shit that one up too, but does he legitimately not know what VoG does?

[DeathsSilkyMist]

Originally Posted by Samoht [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Didn't want to call DSM out in the other thread because there's a high likelihood that he'd shit that one up too, but does he legitimately not know what VoG does?

Please stop being silly. This is offtopic and a different thread. I am sorry your troll about my DPS caclulator failed.

https://wiki.project1999.com/Visions_of_Grandeur

Feel free to read the wiki page!

Samoht probably assumed "endgame" only applied to raiding. If you are duoing with a Shaman, you won't have VoG, as a simple example. Yes, I know that VoG has an extra 25 DEX. It just doesn't really matter, since you have 245 DEX before gear with FoS + Avatar on a Human. A BiS Monk will have +10 DEX from Flayed Barbarian Skin Leggings, and a Min/Max Monk is probably going to be Iksar, who starts with 95 DEX base. So that would already cap DEX without VoG. VoG stacks with Avatar and FoS as well.

Back on topic:

Reposting OP's epic video where he kills Fungi King solo with his monk, no consumables:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wONdIYAofyQ

https://wiki.project1999.com/Solo_Artist_Challenge

It deserves the highest ranking of [S] when following the solo artist challenge wiki page. Please note the wiki page was changed after OP did his video, and the changes are still in dispute. [S+] did not exist as a rank previously.

[Stryker85]

Originally Posted by Zuranthium [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

You don't wear the Tunare belt for the fight. You click it beforehand, and it gives armor in addition to the DS. That isn't irrelevant, nor is the DS for a close fight.

No shit, and yes, 4 pt DS and 12 AC is irrelevant.

Originally Posted by Zuranthium [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

You didn't use AVATAR, idiot, and if you are trying to do a challenge without outside buffs then you should also be starting the fight with Shielding pre-procced. The discussion here is not just about this fight either, it's about trying to calculate and achieve the absolute highest numbers of what a character can do. Every little thing matters.

The numbers need to be ran, but going on rough estimation the combo of Avatar/Spikecoat/Steal Strength/Shielding puts the fight within the realm of being worth looking into, especially considering you weren't maximizing your DPS at the start of the fight with fist swaps.

Here you go again talking about shit that you have NO CLUE about. You have never solo’d the king, so what makes you think that these extremely minor things are going to add up to outweigh Aegolism and VoG haste? You have literally NOTHING to base that off of.

I have killed the king solo with and without avatar. It doesn’t make near enough of a difference to eliminate the need for other buffs. You even mentioning that preprocing shielding to make up the difference is LAUGHABLE and shows just how big of a fucking newb you are.

Originally Posted by Zuranthium [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

YOU USED MULTIPLE PLAYERS AND 4 DIFFERENT CHARACTERS.

Once again, the FACT is that you did not achieve the kill BY YOURSELF. You needed another player to buff you, with multiple other characters.

Wrong again, I did kill it by myself. No one else got agro. I was the only one to pull, take damage, deal damage, and killed the mob - SOLO. The fact that you think having outside buffs is the same as having other people with you healing, tanking. debuffing, and DPSing is just ridiculous.Again you seem to have no retort to the fact that this is in fact solo by the GMs definition and the play nice rules.

Originally Posted by Zuranthium [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

A single person being able to do the kill by swapping to another of their own characters is ONE PLAYER, and the fastest way to do the kill is by using that method.

That’s great, no one is debating that, yet you still don’t seem to understand that that has absolutely nothing to do with this conversation. I don’t give a damn if it’s “faster”. I chose this method because I wanted to do it with ONE character without the need to swap back and forth.

Originally Posted by Zuranthium [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

LMAOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO

Then why did you get the buffs from all those other classes and need them to do the kill, if they are abilities your class "already has"??

What the actual fuck is wrong with you? This total lack of logic is unbelievable.

Once again you are just objectively wrong. No, buffs do not give me additional abilities that are not available to the monk class otherwise. Adding stats is not the same as adding abilities, moron. The only one with the flawed sense of logic here is you.

When someone that’s soloing a camp gets outside buffs, do you think the people that buffed the soloer are entitled to a roll on the loot? NO - they’re not! You know why? Because them buffing the person doesn’t automatically make them apart of the group or the kill, genius.

Originally Posted by Zuranthium [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

WHAT name?? I don't save the names of all the thousands of different characters I've interacted with, particularly someone doing a routine farm of a camp that has been happening for ages. You're the one who is full of shit, being ignorant to what others have done in the game and thinking you're omniscient and have done something totally new.

Ok everybody, we’re now on post #5 since he claimed to have buffed someone on red that has solo’d the spore king years ago, without charges, yet he still cannot come up with the name of this fabled soloer, nor any shred of evidence for his bullshit story.

Originally Posted by Zuranthium [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

That is exactly pure busy work, LOL. It does not take any relevant amount of skill to accrue DKP in this game and it has nothing to do with the mechanical skill of completing [B][/B]a solo challenge.

You're delusional, like a lot of PvE'rs in these kinds of games, thinking what you're doing is anything more than a rat race. It's a totally fabricated carrot on the stick, designed to you keep you hooked by forcing time to be spent on the repetitive grind of accruing more gear/levels, and requiring very little real skill, so that nearly anyone who wants to put the time in can achieve it.

LOL just busy work eh? Whatever you say, dude. Even with pretty much full BiS in nearly every slot, and even after developing a strat that doesn’t rely on RNG hardly at all (by snaring and regening to start the fight at 100%) it’s still JUST BARELY even possible WITH outside buffs. That’s not even mentioning me 2h toggling the Abashi for max DPS which is something that takes a metric fuckton of time and practice to master..

Originally Posted by Zuranthium [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

And that is exactly why I don't put more time into this dead-end game. There is no point in wasting my life on that. There's nothing intellectually or creatively stimulating about it, I've already seen all the sights and discovered all the possibilities. Using a small amount of free time to discuss what the game could be and how it played during classic is far more interesting than actually playing it.

And that is exactly why no one here takes anything you say seriously. You’re just a pathetic troll screaming from the sidelines about how you could do it better, or how it’s already been done before in more impressive fashion. It’s sad and just pathetic really. Until you login and actually backup literally ANYTHING you say or claim, you’re just pissing in the wind, with everyone laughing at you.

Originally Posted by Zuranthium [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Half a dozen people in this thread alone have disputed it, and someone not outright disputing the definition of "solo" doesn't mean they think soloing with outside buffs is the most pure or impressive form possible.

Ohh so we’re up to half a dozen now eh?? LOL - please name them. There’s like 3 of you, maybe 4 at most, but definitely not even close to the majority of people that have commented on the kill.

I don’t even know why I’m still wasting my time replying to you. Anyone with half a brain, that actually plays this game, can see what a jealous little bitch you are. For a while I thought you were just really stupid, but no one is THAT stupid. I’m more convinced that you’re just an insecure little twat that can only lift himself up by trying to bring others down. Every time you post you just make yourself look more and more pathetic and/or retarded.

[Zuranthium]

Originally Posted by Stryker85 [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

yet you still don’t seem to understand that has absolutely nothing to do with this conversation. I don’t give a damn if it’s “faster”. I chose this method because I wanted to do it with ONE character without the need to swap back and forth.

LMAO, the degree to which something is a solo or not is the ENTIRE fucking conversation that's been going on! You are failing so badly at trying to deflect.

YOU DID NOT USE ONE CHARACTER. YOU USED 4 CHARACTERS AND REQUIRED A 2ND PLAYER TO LOG ON YOUR ALTS.

Imagine you want to log onto the game for an hour and do the camp. Nobody around to help, you just have yourself. You are NOT capable of doing the camp by yourself right now. How long is this going to take to sink into your fucking head? It's an incontrovertable fact. STOP trying to deny it.

So, now that we've established trying to do a camp with ONE PLAYER ONLY, how can we approach it? If we're trying to achieve the highest tier of solo challenge, then it means using 1 character only. That's one mode of playing. Another mode of playing is wanting to just farm the camp quickly. For that, I linked a video of the best way to do it. Pull with a snare class, then log over to a class that can do the kill (enchanter being the fastest).

You wanting to have another player come buff you is another mode of playing the game. And that's fine, and sometimes might even be the safest way to hold the camp down if you happen to have someone who will always come at your beck and call and not ask for a share of the loot, but it's not SOLO. Thus, it's not an option all the time.

Originally Posted by Stryker85 [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

I did kill it by myself. The fact that you think having outside buffs is the same as having other people with you healing and DPSing is just ridiculous.

BUFFS GIVE YOU MORE DPS AND MORE HEALTH

It is the EXACT same thing, in effect, as another player literally casting a heal on you during the fight and casting a damage spell on the NPC.

This entire game is basic math in motion. Everything is a creation of damage or a reduction of damage.

Originally Posted by Stryker85 [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

When someone that’s soloing a camp gets outside buffs, do you think the people that buffed the soloer are entitled to a roll on the loot? NO - they’re not!

That has NOTHING to do with the parameters of a solo challenge.

And LOL, wtf are you talking about other people rolling for loot. Swapping between your own characters is YOU only. You're not sharing a roll with anyone else if you do a camp like that. You're using yourself only. LMAO?!?

Originally Posted by Stryker85 [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

4 pt DS and 12 AC is irrelevant.

It's 25 AC and no it isn't irrelevant. ANY fluctuation in performance can make a difference in a close fight. This shows how oblivious you are and have likely never done anything competitive in your life where margins are tight and finding razor thin advantages is the difference in winning or not.

Originally Posted by Stryker85 [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

I have killed the king solo with and without avatar. It doesn’t make near enough of a difference to eliminate the need for other buffs

You wouldn't know seeing as you've 1.) never ran the numbers, 2.) don't have the gear in the first place to do it, 3.) never played the encounter with offhand fist swapping the whole way through to maximize DPS.

If you can already do the fight with a full bubble of health remaining when you didn't have Avatar up and weren't playing perfectly, then it's possible that Avatar + debuff + damage shield + correct swapping is enough. You're losing 950 HP by having Shielding instead of Aegolism and your haste is only going down by 18%, while your ATK stat is increasingly considerably from Avatar.

Originally Posted by Stryker85 [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

toggling the Abashi for max DPS is something that takes a metric fuckton of time and practice to master

You're definitely not a person who has ever engaged in something that takes competitive skill. Clicking on the screen twice after doing an autoattack "takes a ton of time and practice to master". LOOOOOOL.

Originally Posted by Stryker85 [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

You’re just a pathetic troll screaming from the sidelines. Anyone with half a brain can see what a jealous little bitch you are.

That idiotic line again. NOBODY IS JEALOUS OF YOU. NOBODY IS OUT TO GET YOU. NOBODY IS OBLIGATED TO TREAT YOU LIKE A PRINCESS.

I have more experience with this game than you do and far more skill as a gamer. Have you ever won tournaments and actual money? Ever ranked high globally at an actual competitive thing? No, you haven't. I don't need to log on and do anything. I've already played more than enough EQ since 1999. It's not the role of a retired athlete to spend their time on the field. They move onto coaching, officiating, or professional analysis to impart their expertise.

[DeathsSilkyMist]

Originally Posted by Zuranthium [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

BUFFS GIVE YOU MORE DPS AND MORE HEALTH

It is the EXACT same thing, in effect, as another player literally casting a heal on you during the fight and casting a damage spell on the NPC.

This entire game is basic math in motion. Everything is a creation of damage or a reduction of damage.

I've already gone over the math. VoG + Aego + FoS was mathematically equivalent to 8 or 9 charges of a 10 dose wort pot for OP's video, which is "moderate" usage by your own standards. 2400-2700 HP would be less than a reaper for OP. You have no case, and your own standards show it.

Please stop trolling and spamming the thread with nonsense.

Back on topic:

Reposting OP's epic video where he kills Fungi King solo with his monk, no consumables:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wONdIYAofyQ

https://wiki.project1999.com/Solo_Artist_Challenge

It deserves the highest ranking of [S] when following the solo artist challenge wiki page. Please note the wiki page was changed after OP did his video, and the changes are still in dispute. [S+] did not exist as a rank previously.

[Stryker85]

Originally Posted by Zuranthium [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

LMAO, the degree to which something is a solo or not is the ENTIRE fucking conversation that's been going on! You are failing so badly at trying to deflect.

You're the only one here deflecting. No one here but you is trying to compare these kills to the one you linked. They are completely different methods with different self imposed limitations, and are thus completely irrelevant in respect to each other.

Originally Posted by Zuranthium [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

YOU DID NOT USE ONE CHARACTER. YOU USED 4 CHARACTERS AND REQUIRED A 2ND PLAYER TO LOG ON YOUR ALTS.

This backwards ass logic is so fucking retarded, I'm not even going to respond to it anymore. There's no point, anyone with half a brain can read that sentence and see for themselves what a moron you are. Using 1 character that's buffed to fight the mob is not the same thing as fighting the mob with 4 characters you disingenuous piece of shit.

Originally Posted by Zuranthium [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

You wouldn't know seeing as you've 1.) never ran the numbers, 2.) don't have the gear in the first place to do it, 3.) never played the encounter with offhand fist swapping the whole way through to maximize DPS.

ROFL, I wouldn't know... AND YOU WOULD??? What kind of fucking crack are you smoking dude? Only 1 of us here has solo'd the damn thing, and it wasn't you. I have ran the numbers, I DO have the gear... do you?? NOPE! But yet I wouldn't know, and you would somehow??? You are straight up delusional.

Originally Posted by Zuranthium [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

You're definitely not a person who has ever engaged in something that takes competitive skill. Clicking on the screen twice after doing an autoattack "takes a ton of time and practice to master". LOOOOOOL.

Here you go making yourself look like a fucking fool again. If it was that easy, every monk would do it. There's a reason we have a 2h toggle Monk DPS Bounty Competition for anyone in <Fuse> to strive for. Do you know how many people have collected on that bounty in about a full year's time? 3 people... out of literally hundreds of monks with raid calibur 2handers. It's not just "clicking the screen twice after doing an autoattack", its learning the full delay of your 2h, and staying in rhythm with it without missing a 2h swing, which its very easy to miss if your timing is even just slightly off. But you wouldn't know anything about that, because you're a clueless newb that thinks fucking steal strength is a viable strat for soloing the spore king without buffs. [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Originally Posted by Zuranthium [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

I have more experience with this game than you do and far more skill as a gamer. Have you ever won tournaments and actual money? Ever ranked high globally at an actual competitive thing? No, you haven't.

If you're not going to log on to put your money where your mouth is in EQ (because you can't), then at least 1v1 me on Call of Duty or literally any FPS of your choice and I will fucking smoke your ass nonstop. Yes, I have competed and won tournaments for money. I've won several local MTG tournaments, and qualified for Day 2 at GP Denver in 2016. I was also the #1 ranked SK world-wide on Magelo rankings during Solteris - Underfoot eras when my guild was competing for world first raid kills after each expansion release, against raids that took guilds weeks to figure out before someone finally broke through.

Originally Posted by Zuranthium [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

I don't need to log on and do anything. I've already played more than enough EQ since 1999. It's not the role of a retired athlete to spend their time on the field. They move onto coaching, officiating, or professional analysis to impart their expertise.

LOL OK, thanks for finally admitting defeat. You can scream from the sidelines all you want about how much better and smarter you are than all of us, but until you log on and shows us ANYTHING to back up even a shred of the bullshit you claim - you'll be nothing but a jealous little bitch that can't do or prove jack shit.

[DeathsSilkyMist]

Originally Posted by Zuranthium [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

I have more experience with this game than you do and far more skill as a gamer. Have you ever won tournaments and actual money? Ever ranked high globally at an actual competitive thing? No, you haven't. I don't need to log on and do anything. I've already played more than enough EQ since 1999. It's not the role of a retired athlete to spend their time on the field. They move onto coaching, officiating, or professional analysis to impart their expertise.

No coach or professional analyst worth their salt acts like this. Clearly you think you are better than everyone here, and it sounds like you don't even plan on playing anymore. Please move on to a different forum that appreciates your "coaching" and "analysis".

Back on topic:

Reposting OP's epic video where he kills Fungi King solo with his monk, no consumables:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wONdIYAofyQ

https://wiki.project1999.com/Solo_Artist_Challenge

It deserves the highest ranking of [S] when following the solo artist challenge wiki page. Please note the wiki page was changed after OP did his video, and the changes are still in dispute. [S+] did not exist as a rank previously.

[Samoht]

Okay, so you know what raid buffs are and you just choose to ignore the fact that being fully raid buffed is not solo.

Gotcha.

This is an example of cognitive dissonence in the wild, and it's quite interesting.

[Stryker85]

Originally Posted by Samoht [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Okay, so you know what raid buffs are and you just choose to ignore the fact that being fully raid buffed is not solo.

Gotcha.

This is an example of cognitive dissonence in the wild, and it's quite interesting.

You 2 morons are the only ones still trying to claim that anything more than self buffs makes something not solo. It’s mind boggling how you can possibly try to claim that buffs are equivalent to having others there with you healing, dpsing, tanking, debuffing, etc.

Go take a look at the play nice rules. If you are the only one to agro and kill the mob, you are solo. There’s a reason GMs don’t just award people with loot or let them roll on shit just because they buffed someone. No one in their right mind would even try to claim they helped and are entitled to a roll just because they buffed the person that killed it. Thats not how this game works. Being buffed doesnt magically mean that you’re not solo. Y’all are just straight up delusional if you are seriously trying to argue against that.