Vulak Axe vs. Tunare Sword

[Ennewi]

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12-10-2010, 11:53 AM
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Shows that even a 5 weight weapon will drain stamina (when it has 22 delay at least) on a longer fight, so it seems that at around 5 weight the weapon starts becoming a stamina hog.

Reading elsewhere, weight seemed to influence the perceived value of weapons in classic, and justifiably so if firsthand accounts are accurate. An otherwise good weapon, with useful proc and competitive ratio, would be frowned upon if it weighed more than other options.

[Dundrige]

Originally Posted by Ennewi [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Another potential mundane detail to account for eventually is weapon weight. If yellow bars are ever able to be made similar to classic (granted, big if) than vulak axe (15wt) and tuna sword (10wt) are going to burn through endurance and rely on zings, whereas dawncall great spear (2.4) isn't going to cause that issue for the tank. I don't remember how penalizing this was back in classic, but reading suggests the spell/song was cast regularly enough in melee groups so it's worth considering, especially with discipline usage in mind.

Please do not let the devs see this or know about this.

[Naethyn]

Don't worry we aren't getting classic stamina.

[Crede]

Tstaff monks could use this nerf

[Goregasmic]

Make shovels great again!

[Ennewi]

Yeah, would take TStaff and Peacebringer down a peg. VP bo staff hits the threshold at 5wt. Meanwhile the recent event reward Arm of Quellious has 1wt going for it.

ALL: Shovel of the Harvest (10wt) but Herb Spade weighs 3
RNG: Swarmcaller (10wt) and Woodsman's Staff (6.5wt)
WAR: Truncheon of Doom (10wt), Guadralek (9wt), and epic 2H (6wt)
SHD: Epic (5wt) ... PAL epic and Natures Defender both weigh less than 1wt combined
BRD: Siren Song (4.5wt) compared to Tuna rapier (1wt)

Blackstar literally weighs nothing, so battle clerics safe. Rocksmasher also weighs nada.
Blam Stick zilch. Nev's Claw a whopping 7wt, maybe the heaviest 1H weapon along with Dragonrib Club?
Thankfully OT Hammer is only 3.2wt, otherwise would be even more of a pita getting it to proc.

[Goregasmic]

Spade is still best/second best droppable 2hander behind reaver, reaver weighting 25 lolz. That one's popularity would fall off into the abyss.

[Ennewi]

Originally Posted by Goregasmic [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Spade is still best/second best droppable 2hander behind reaver, reaver weighting 25 lolz. That one's popularity would fall off into the abyss.

Oof, has to be the heaviest melee weapon. Maybe get a few swings in before being depleted. Throwing boulders exceed that weight just barely.

[Danth]

Don't forget even if they added classic-style stamina, you only need 100 stamina stat to reduce the penalty for running out to merely being unable to jump. Nearly anyone twinking with a reaver can also add a few plus-stamina items if his starting stats are below 100. Paladin has invigor himself, anyway. In practice the stamina system mostly hurt low-mid level dual wielders who were often things like wood elves, or poor newbie paladins/SK's wielding something like axe of the iron back. It was largely a nonfactor for established players.

That being said, it's unlikely we'll ever get classic stamina unless P99 takes the also-unlikely route of migrating to a different client. They tried several times to get stamina and invigor-type spells working on P99 and failed each time--our client simply doesn't play nice with it. I well remember some of the past attempts.

[Jimjam]

They don't implement classic stamina as it penalises dev Gilbon's favourite class, the Berserker.