Hasbinbad betrays RnF

[Appollo]

Originally Posted by G13 [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Your hypocrisy is disappointing

After all you were the one who spoke with Nilbog and Rogean during DA's raid suspension. You, more than anyone, understand the reasons why DA was a given raid suspension. A member in a position of leadership (Officer/raid leader/ect) was caught using a 3rd party hack during a competitive raid. Perun was caught and has admitted to using a 3rd party hack during a competitive raid. This is beyond refute.

These are the rules. All the emotional arguments and TR/IB trolling/hand wringing are irrelevant and have nothing to do with the server rules.

Why TR/IB hasn't at the very least been raid suspended yet for 2 weeks is a slap in the face to the community by development. Rogean you need to do the right thing and hand down the proper punishment to TR/IB please.

Clearly TR/IB has met the exact same criteria previously met by DA that warrants a raid suspension, yet we have Appollo are agreeing with Hasbinbad? /boggle

I respectfully disagree with your assessment of my "hypocrisy". Let me set something straight that was apparently misinterpreted: I agree with you wholeheartedly that the punishment was not befitting for what happened and is not congruent with precedent set by the server staff. Something more should have been done, i.e. 1 week raid suspension for the entire guild.

However, do not mistake my agreement with Hasbinbad as anything more than an agreement with his assessment of the forums.

Nevertheless, I do not view Rants and Flames as the proper forum to bring that disagreement. I would prefer to speak with Rogean and Nilbog personally on the matter and voice my concern through that avenue. Not the least of which because it will yield results, whereas posting in here will inevitably fall on deaf ears. I long ago gave up on attempting to accomplish anything of value in a forum entitled "Rants and Flames", I figure the title of the forum should lend some credence as to what to expect.

[G13]

Originally Posted by Appollo [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

I respectfully disagree with your assessment of my "hypocrisy". Let me set something straight that was apparently misinterpreted: I agree with you wholeheartedly that the punishment was not befitting for what happened and is not congruent with precedent set by the server staff. Something more should have been done, i.e. 1 week raid suspension for the entire guild.

However, do not mistake my agreement with Hasbinbad as anything more than an agreement with his assessment of the forums.

Nevertheless, I do not view Rants and Flames as the proper forum to bring that disagreement. I would prefer to speak with Rogean and Nilbog personally on the matter and voice my concern through that avenue. Not the least of which because it will yield results, whereas posting in here will inevitably fall on deaf ears. I long ago gave up on attempting to accomplish anything of value in a forum entitled "Rants and Flames", I figure the title of the forum should lend some credence as to what to expect.

Then we are in agreement and I was wrong for calling you a hypocrite. I apologize.

[Anger]

Originally Posted by G13 [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Your hypocrisy is disappointing

After all you were the one who spoke with Nilbog and Rogean during DA's raid suspension. You, more than anyone, understand the reasons why DA was a given raid suspension. A member in a position of leadership (Officer/raid leader/ect) was caught using a 3rd party hack during a competitive raid.

You're an idiot. When Appollo talked to Nilbog, it was when Tubban was using MQ in a completely unrelated zone, for a reason completely non-related to raiding (suspension #2). And Koota wasn't using SEQ during a "competitive raid". He was using it during off-hours to track Draco (suspension #1).

Learn your facts before you come spouting off nonsense bullshit.

[Ennoia]

Originally Posted by Hasbinbad [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Oh I am not turning my backs on you sweetlings, I'm trying to get RnF back on track and away from this mob mentality which is putting the server in possible jeopardy. Continue on flaming TR etc., just quit it with the attacks on staff, calls to destroy all the work that has been done, and attacks on staff decisions. It is silly and you guys need to take a step back and count to ten.

No, you're trying to misdirect people's attention from a guild full of cheaters.

Ban Xzerion. Ban Perun. LONG LIVE UTHGAARD!!!

[Enygma]

Originally Posted by Ennoia [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

No, you're trying to misdirect people's attention from a guild full of cheaters.

Ban Xzerion. Ban Perun. LONG LIVE UTHGAARD!!!

Much agree.

Sworen

[Enygma]

Originally Posted by Hasbinbad [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Oh I am not turning my backs on you sweetlings, I'm trying to get RnF back on track and away from this mob mentality which is putting the server in possible jeopardy. Continue on flaming TR etc., just quit it with the attacks on staff, calls to destroy all the work that has been done, and attacks on staff decisions. It is silly and you guys need to take a step back and count to ten.

Because it involves how shitty your guild is and how it has been shown favoritism since day 1. Gluck TR in doing anything by themselves without GM support.

/vote to have universal punishments across the board. /qq Hasalwaysbinabad.

GG.

Sworen

[Enygmad]

Originally Posted by Enygma [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Whole lotta QQ'ing.

Sworen

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[Enygma]

lawl... he made a forum troll in my honor. My work here is done [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

I provided enough hard evidence that he raged irl and said "i know I'll troll him".

GG. THX.

I retire as winner of RnF.

Bai,

Sworen

[Flavor]

Originally Posted by Hasbinbad [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Oh I am not turning my backs on you sweetlings, I'm trying to get RnF back on track and away from this mob mentality which is putting the server in possible jeopardy. Continue on flaming TR etc., just quit it with the attacks on staff, calls to destroy all the work that has been done, and attacks on staff decisions. It is silly and you guys need to take a step back and count to ten.

Hasbinbad, or you other young pseudo-intellectuals (wtb tag), go read the book Exit, Voice, and Loyalty by Albert Hirschman. It's short but it'll give you some perspective as to why anyone whose touched the raid scene outside of TR is so hell bent on blowing shit up.

Also I would tell you to just wikipedia it, except the article's analysis sucks balls. Just go read it, it's only 100 pages.

[JenJen]

move along nothing to see here