Poll item looting or no?

[Galanteer]

never played on an item loot server, but what I noticed on an exp loss server (SZ) was that in group pvp, people often tried to ensure that the kill shot was done by someone in level range.

Did people on RZ do ring pulling and stuff like that to prevent pvp death (and thus loot?)

So I think an item loot with a +- two level range would quickly be -big brother does majority of damage, little brother gets kill shot. (or ten zergs do 90% damage and big guardian gets kill).

Level restrictions in the mechanics are quickly overcome by enterprising players.

[Galanteer]

Originally Posted by Foxx [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

if u pulled a ring to die on rallos zek, u basically killed urself, and thus nobody got to loot ur corpse... only the player with the killing blow on another player could loot the body. and yes, especially low end pvp people pulled rings to avoid being looted alot.

people also used to jump off cliffs to die and avoid pvp death... best example of this at high end was in velks lab, and in low end it happened alot in field of bone / kurns tower.... ppl also jumped in lava to die, and avoid a pvp death just so they wouldnt be looted.

did you guys loose exp? on sz we called it ranger gating (for teams that had rangers!) (put all gear in bank, drown self, gate back to bind) There was no exp lose to environmental deaths on sz.

[nilbog]

Originally Posted by greatdane [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

We're all just theorizing, whether we say that itemloot will reduce the population or that absence of itemloot will make PvP meaningless. These are just discussions, largely to pass the time, and you said yourself that you won't pay much attention to it when it comes to determining the server's ruleset.

All of my responses have been from an opinion standpoint, and no, my personal opinion won't ultimately determine the ruleset for item loot. I wouldn't want it to, due to the rule differences on original eq pvp servers.

That said, you have to at least agree that history clearly proves the problems with itemloot and the obvious connection between any given server's popularity and its presence or absence of itemloot.

I would say that is a possibility, but not exclude extenuating circumstances of the pvp server in question. Live servers constantly changed, which is why I ended up here, trying to fix what they already had right at one point :T I mean, tbh, live eq players killed classic. Alternatively, when I played VZTZ it was crazy broken due to content, source issues, and lack of people. I can't singly determine if no item loot was the cause of more players after the fact. And I'm not hating on VZTZ. It was my first eqemu server. I killed people, looted their items and had a great time. This is now a different time, different source, database, scripts, and anti-cheats. An untested combination for classic eq pvp for the first time in a long time.

I guess I try to hope for the best, and if that doesn't work, fall back till it does :P

That's a valid argument. None of us are psychic, but what can we even discuss if past evidence and logical likelihood aren't allowed? Since Rogean started multiple discussions about the server ruleset, I take that to mean that we're encouraged to do just that.

I fully encourage discussion of the rulesets. I would like a lot more of it. I am here as a proponent to debate in favor of my opinion. In the end, my opinion (vote) will only influence/not force the group dev decision of what happens. I don't think its fair to force certain rulesets because of the differing eq pvp rules. I think the community should be mostly in charge of how a pvp server ends up, but not discount possibilities from the start.

As for your pre-p99 anecdote, I'd have to point out, as one of those people who were arguing in favor of boxing, that you're presenting a somewhat biased view of it.

PVE, yes I am biased. I do believe I know how to recreate a classic pve server. No boxing unless 100% necessary. In my initial eqemulator discussions I supported a single boxed character if the population was 50-100 ppl. Hoped for the best.

There's nothing wrong with discussion, and the blind dismissal of all anti-itemloot sentiments is a little primitive, as are most of the arguments presented by the pro-itemloot crowd. You also have to acknowledge that PvP servers have historically been less popular than PvE servers and that itemloot only exacerbates that difference, even if you believe red99 will somehow be the opposite.

I wish constructive discussion would continue, and much more of it. It's hard to find someone to debate with that can type more than a sentence or two.

I do hope r99 is highly successful, and don't want people going in with presumptions that it definitively will be a certain way. There's no way to know.

[greatdane]

And with all that out of the way, who's a guy gotta blow to get beta started around here? We're getting desperate Ó_ò

[greatdane]

Totally.

[Amuk]

Would you wear your COF Nilbog, no that would be stupid, that takes luck and an extreme amount of time to obtain. Would you wear your FBSS, no that takes 20+ hours to obtain, would you wear your mithril arms/greaves, no that takes luck roll/many hours to obtain over guildmates. All of these items that make pure melee viable in pvp require MASSIVE amounts of time to obtain and noone will wear them in NON-PUBSTOMP conditions. All your supporting is making casters more viable and melees pathetic without risking items that require months to get. I will play a mage and wear whatever shit INT gear and be effective while melees either risk valuable gear or get shit on.

It's really discouraging that a Magician from VZ/TZ screenshots is such a supporter of item loot and a dev of the new pvp server, inc caster wars more so than it would normally be.

[Titanuk]

Originally Posted by Amuk [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Would you wear your COF Nilbog, no that would be stupid, that takes luck and an extreme amount of time to obtain. Would you wear your FBSS, no that takes 20+ hours to obtain, would you wear your mithril arms/greaves, no that takes luck roll/many hours to obtain over guildmates. All of these items that make pure melee viable in pvp require MASSIVE amounts of time to obtain and noone will wear them in NON-PUBSTOMP conditions. All your supporting is making casters more viable and melees pathetic without risking items that require months to get. I will play a mage and wear whatever shit INT gear and be effective while melees either risk valuable gear or get shit on.

It's really discouraging that a Magician from VZ/TZ screenshots is such a supporter of item loot and a dev of the new pvp server, inc caster wars more so than it would normally be.

i would use everything u said, but the CoF maybe

[greatdane]

Originally Posted by Titanuk [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

i would use everything u said, but the CoF maybe

His point is probably that most wouldn't. Everyone knows you're such a godlike paragon of integrity that you transcend the norm.

[Amuk]

EQ is character development, pvp or blue, it makes no difference - the only difference is pvp'ers don't want to deal with fucking poopsocking career fucking virgins sitting in a zone with a raid force for 48 hours that follow the rules of your gay fucking blue server. Red servers want to fight over control of the world AKA raid spawns and fucking loot, if you're this fucking blind and want gay ass fucking item loot making items that require a guild to fight and conquer others guilds and obtain said items be lost by gay fucking insignificant pvp fights then so be it, sounds horrible.

I'm drunk btw I can't tell if this makes sense or not.

[Amuk]

Good I'll be the naked mage farming Ivandyr hoops to loot that shit yo.