PvP Range

[Yukahwa]

Serious PVP. PVP in Gfay is the best ever. Groups of level 50's don't come to a head there, so things in Gfay should be just normal which will allow priests to heal whoever they want without dealing with dynamic range mechanics.

Don't get me wrong. I think level 1-40 PVP is more important than max level PVP by a long shot. Level 1-40 is where people get dedicated to the game and where a lot of people spend 100 percent of their gaming experience. Gfay is the number 1 most important PVP in the game is but not Serious pvp.

I think we agree on this point, my apologies for failing to be more clear.

P.S. Me and my dwarf buddies were usually friends with elves.

[Softcore PK]

I like the dynamic range system being active in gfay.

p.s. I slaughtered your dwarf buddies and sold them in pieces to Boomba the Big. Dwarves should know better than to step foot into sacred land.

[Yukahwa]

Vallon or Tallon Pixels never reached the shores of Rallos Zek until me and anyone I knew was long gone. If they did, me and you probably woulda been friends.

[MrSparkle001]

Originally Posted by Bockscar [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

It's not worth shaping the ruleset around the three people who will have deleveled twinks. Hell, practically none of the PvP gear is no-drop until Velious.

True, and the server won't have a large enough population to make delevelers a pain I think. When you're looking to level there will be plenty of places you can go.

I'm just saying, I remember armies of lowbies at the Nektulos newbie log that couldn't defeat the deleveled troll trio. Every spell resisted, they regenerated at an alarming rate for their level, and were like living gods. I'm dead serious when I say I don't want to see that again.

Some say it's part of the game, I say it never should have been to begin with. That's what I mean when I say "PvP does not mean 'PvP' for some people, it means gank and generally act like a douche". The beauty of Sullon Zek was that that mechanic was impossible, and even though Fansy exposed other serious flaws they were patched. A trio of people running around Nektulos killing lowbies? Bring in the big guns and kick 'em out! Couldn't do that on RZ.

Deleveling won't be as bad if there's no item loot though. They will only be an annoyance, not a major frustration factor.

EDIT: I can't remember if this troll trio was Velious era or not. I seem to recall people saying they had higher level no-drop gear, but during Velious I moved permanently to Sullon Zek (before quitting with Luclin for the greener pastures of Dark Age Of Camelot which had infinitely better PvP than EQ ever had, but lacked everything else). I don't remember when Sullon Zek came out so I don't remember how much time I spent on RZ during the Velious era. My memory of 10 year old videogame moments is very fuzzy.

[Darwoth]

deleveling does not work on p99 ( [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.] )

[Softcore PK]

Originally Posted by Yukahwa [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Vallon or Tallon Pixels never reached the shores of Rallos Zek until me and anyone I knew was long gone. If they did, me and you probably woulda been friends.

Not saying we couldn't have been friends. Secret friends. But if you weren't elf back then I had an obligation to murder you and take your money.

[Xareth]

Originally Posted by Amuk [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

In the end dipshits let themselves be griefed. I guarentee you the people I'm going to play with will shit on groups that are 5-8 levels higher. I hate to say it but even though it's a ffa server you shouldn't be looking at it like a solo pvp server, it's just ffa so people that dislike each other arn't hardcoded into teams - this server will be teams in the form of guilds you can guarentee pre formed guilds already exist and have strategies for how they will exp/control content.

If someone 8 levels higher than you is in the zone be aware, and be ready to retreat - that's a much better alternative to having a group be out of range to other groups camping shit you're capable of holding. And 100x better than being out of range of the 1-2 duo people camping shit that you could win with numbers.

Exactly this

Originally Posted by Rogean [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

I'll talk the incremental natural range over with the others. I'm thinking something like this..

+/- 4 until 20
5 until 40
6 until 50
8 51+

I like +/- 8.

I really don't think it's necessary to change the range unless you want less griefing under lvl 20. It was always part of the game on TZ, it was about being smart enough to pick your fights wisely, fight or flight. If you have to do something incremental like this though, I think it should be:

+/- 4/5 until 20
6 until 40
8 40+

+/- 4 doesn't allow for much pvp. 40 is the "big boy" level. It should really be gloves off at that point.

In addition, there really should be ffa zones. Lguk, solb, perma, all the planes and kedge (ha). There are many scenerios where this is necessary, many have already been brought up.

Originally Posted by Rogean [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

two players able to attack eachother would be determined by the lowest level player's range. Still affected by the dynamic range system.

Excellent!

[Softcore PK]

I don't understand the FFA zones. Won't the dynamic system make up for this?

[Dontmez_Mebro]

Is the dynamic system going to be fixed to prevent level 50's from camping noobie areas and griefing lvl 4's?

[Bockscar]

Of course it is. Why do you even need to ask?