Rules clarification

[Valiant]

[QUOTE=arsenalpow;679117]yes, we left because we didn't want to deal with the drama and rules lawyering. A GM wasn't around to babysit so we bailed. We tried working it out with TMO leadership but they had their fingers in their ears screaming "FIFTEEN ON SPAWN POINT" so there was no point.

This

[Greeedy]

STOP THE BLIND HATE.

DONT TAKE TMO'S LOOTZ YO

[Asher]

Originally Posted by Metallikus [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

taken from Rogaen on the raid play nice policy thread:

http://www.project1999.org/forums/sh...ad.php?t=14667

"Q: Can we camp raid mobs?
A: If you choose to lay a claim to an unspawned raid npc, your raid must be at the npc's spawn point with sufficient force. (within aggro range of the npc when it spawns, with at least a 15 member raid party). e.g. (inside Nagafen's Lair) This is the ONLY way claims of unspawned raid targets will be respected."

Two raid guilds are in Trakanon's lair within agro range. TMO frapsed and screenshotted their raid force getting to agro range of a Trakanon spawn in Trakanon's lair. Zeelot sent a tell to the BDA raid leader and said they have proof that their raid force was on the spawn point with 15 and that BDa should leave because the mob is theirs. If BDA is forced out with this rules lawyering, why would TMO not have to keep their raid force (or 15) within agro range? As soon as BDA left the zone, TMO backs off everyone from agro range.

What is the point of this rule? Guilds don't want to stand on Trakanon's spawn point for 9 hours. Why should TMO be able to walk up with 15 people and have the opposing raid force removed if they aren't willing to keep their raid force there? This is poor form rules lawyering.

BTW, Amelinda was contacted during this action on irc and refused to comment.

Hey now, you lost the competition fair and square.

They are just better at getting 15 people near the spawn point and then Frapsing it. [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]/

Asher

[Autotune]

Originally Posted by Asher [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Hey now, you lost the competition fair and square.

They are just better at getting 15 people near the spawn point and then Frapsing it. [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]/

Asher

Also, nothing in the rules states that a guild must maintain the 15 on spawn if another guild decides to give up and not contend/force the guild to maintain it.

Basically, if you want to force TMO to keep 15, stay there. If you don't want it as bad as they do, you can give up your challenge and in turn they can as well.

It's always been like this, as someone from VD (OP) should know. I imagine the only reason it's brought up is because (as per the normal for VD) something didn't go their way and they get mad/hyped about it and want to rules lawyer a GM.

GJ btw, I am sure this will work wonders for your wanted agreement.

[Asher]

Originally Posted by Autotune [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Also, nothing in the rules states that a guild must maintain the 15 on spawn if another guild decides to give up and not contend/force the guild to maintain it.

Basically, if you want to force TMO to keep 15, stay there. If you don't want it as bad as they do, you can give up your challenge and in turn they can as well.

It's always been like this, as someone from VD (OP) should know. I imagine the only reason it's brought up is because (as per the normal for VD) something didn't go their way and they get mad/hyped about it and want to rules lawyer a GM.

GJ btw, I am sure this will work wonders for your wanted agreement.

Gratz more TMO alts on BPs!

Asher

[Maze513]

Maybe close, but out of range

where is the ole mem for dis?

[Barkingturtle]

I think the real of the story is: don't molest your kids, because they will grow up to be molesters, too.

[Jarnauga]

• [Tue Aug 02 18:08:57 2011] Zeelot says, 'Amelinda seems to think that 15 on the spawn means physically on the spawn point, as opposed to within aggro range ie. 50 range'

• [Tue Aug 02 18:09:14 2011] Zeelot says, 'having to be physically on the location is not only difficult to know, but rediculous'

• [Tue Aug 02 18:09:25 2011] Zeelot says, 'aggro range, especially short range spell range should be sufficient'

• [Tue Aug 02 18:11:34 2011] Zeelot says, 'from that point on. TMO was on tola, and then trak's spawn area'

• [Tue Aug 02 18:19:14 2011] Zeelot says, 'As for the future, lets avoid any spawn sitting and do trak as a ledge / rush engage only'

• [Tue Aug 02 18:20:30 2011] Zeelot says, 'Yeah. I would love spawn point camping to be taken out'

• [Tue Aug 02 20:49:38 2011] Zeelot says, 'poopsocking for us is a response to you guys camping/binding in lair'

Zeelott confirmed full of shit.

[Greeedy]

gg

[Alarti0001]

Originally Posted by Jarnauga [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Zeelott confirmed full of shit.

How do you figure.....?