Want to actually raid?

[Qadosx]

Originally Posted by KentalCowtipper [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Right now it looks like we could still use a couple more active wariors, a paladin or two and a couple more bards/enchs.

I'd join if Zeelot stopped playing.

[Alarti0001]

Originally Posted by Qadosx [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

I'd join if Zeelot stopped playing.

....pssh!

[Nizzarr]

Got some dirty laundry Qados? come out clean, its for everyones good!

[Autotune]

I mean, the only guild that has been leaking members is BDA to TMO. Seems like your members are realizing exactly what kind of "raid" guild you guys are.

1) Your guild is full of crying bitch-boys (VD)
2) Your guild is mostly only competitive on RnF (trying to win an un-winnable war)
3) You have more members than TMO to feed targets too
4) Your members and core are far more hungry than the average TMO counter part
5) Your guild is starving.
6) Your guild can't survive off the ForumQuesting.

Keep fighting us in RnF. The only thing that happens is this.

Your members and future members see. BDA can talk the talk, but are struggling to just get out of bed. Keep it up imo. TMO has taken out 2 guilds already that were better in-game and in ForumQuest.

If you keep coming here and embarrassing your casual members (much like VD did) you will end up leaking more members to other guilds as well and we all know where that leads.

No one wants to play with the loud noisy guys that can't put up and won't shut up.

[getsome]

Originally Posted by Rais [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Not true. They threatened to end the alliance with VD over loot a few encounters. Namely Cleric BP, Shield from Cazic. The former was what made us have a loot order of items/gods. The fact IB treated most from VD like shit, especially on the raid leader level makes me amazed at how a good handful of former officers/leaders decided to join them on EQmac. I guess I could understand. Either stay here and watch TMO get away with everything, or go play another server with people who looked down on your guild and hope to be part of them.

I never had a conversation with you regarding loot thus I think your viewpoint is not entirely accurate and may contain some bias based on who may have relayed the information to you.

I handled 99% of the "loot negotiations" with VD, specifically Coldblooded. We may have had other officers present at raids where neither of us was present figure out loot from such and such mob. But VD and IB, specifically cold and myself had already agreed on most terms that we could immediately forsee.

Cleric BP's, teeth, BCGs had a pre-decided ratio / distribution sytem. And a few other small details.

It was only one occassion where the alliance was in "jeopardy". A shield of the rainbow hues dropped from CT and I objected when VD, who won the roll on it, decided to award the loot to a monk who was not present at the raid. In theory most guilds award loot to those who are present. They had several members present at the raid who could have used the shield. Had I known previously that they had planned to award the shield to someone who was not at the raid (at the point of rolling for it, I do not think VD knew either to be fair) , I would never have rolled on it. Agree or disagree with my actions, that is my opinion and how I viewed loot be handled at our joint raids. If being present at a raid was not a requirement, then Zilo would have a sky bow [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]. Its just a fundamental of how I view loot should be done with perhaps rare exceptions.

For most of the VD/IB joint raiding, we figured out loot on the fly as to who wanted / needed what. I would say 95% of the loot was decided at the moment without any second thought. No system is perfect but the one time we had a major disagreement we emerged with a better plan moving forward. I may have disagree'd at times with my counterpart but I always respected the people I dealt with, from the player / raid level, to the leader / officer level.

"The fact IB treated most from VD like shit especially on the raid leader level"

Your entitled to your opinion, I would not regard it as fact. Alot of personalities mix when you get two groups together, and players will always wrap themselves under the banner of the guild tag when butting heads with other players. Of the handful of incidents it was usually player v player , not guild v guild.

A few of IB joined VD on p99 after IB closed up shop. A few VD went to EQmac to play with the IB people. If fact was IB treated VD like shit then this would probable not be the case.

Were there a few exceptions with a few individuals who constantly butted heads, I guess. I was never really involved with the dynamics of the pull team.

Either way I made alot of new friends in VD and these are my views on the subject.

[Jacquouille]

I'm just amazed how you're is still defending TMO whilst you don't play anymore.

best ya a hotdog and a bud that you will still be posting here when we start playing GW2 lol

[azxten]

When I was apped to TMO I saw nothing beyond a guild that wants to dominate the raid scene. There are a few assholes but that's true of any guild. Overall my experience was quite positive and I would recommend them to anyone who wants to kill raid targets here.

My only complaint is that with TMO everything is a bit too easy. There was zero challenge to any encounter and it's mostly a race to even show up before the mob dies so you can get attendance credit. This is mostly because there is basically a full raid force camped at every mob once it's in window and then another 30-50 people show up on top of that. I think I saw VS go down in less than 5 seconds once.

However, I did not do any VP raiding so I can't speak to that experience. Just throwing this out there.

[Jacquouille]

Originally Posted by Rais
Not true. They threatened to end the alliance with VD over loot a few encounters. Namely Cleric BP, Shield from Cazic. The former was what made us have a loot order of items/gods. The fact IB treated most from VD like shit, especially on the raid leader level makes me amazed at how a good handful of former officers/leaders decided to join them on EQmac. I guess I could understand. Either stay here and watch TMO get away with everything, or go play another server with people who looked down on your guild and hope to be part of them.

The eternal haters hating on the IB/VD alliance yet they were in none of the two guilds.

You're losing your time arguing here, we had a blast together, we're friends and playing together still.

Saying that espesh on the raid leader level they were problems is absurd considering the fact that the RL core were extremely good friends.

Keep on barking dog

bubye nao

[Hasbinlulz]

Originally Posted by getsome [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

I never had a conversation with you regarding loot thus I think your viewpoint is not entirely accurate and may contain some bias based on who may have relayed the information to you.

I handled 99% of the "loot negotiations" with VD, specifically Coldblooded. We may have had other officers present at raids where neither of us was present figure out loot from such and such mob. But VD and IB, specifically cold and myself had already agreed on most terms that we could immediately forsee.

Cleric BP's, teeth, BCGs had a pre-decided ratio / distribution sytem. And a few other small details.

It was only one occassion where the alliance was in "jeopardy". A shield of the rainbow hues dropped from CT and I objected when VD, who won the roll on it, decided to award the loot to a monk who was not present at the raid. In theory most guilds award loot to those who are present. They had several members present at the raid who could have used the shield. Had I known previously that they had planned to award the shield to someone who was not at the raid (at the point of rolling for it, I do not think VD knew either to be fair) , I would never have rolled on it. Agree or disagree with my actions, that is my opinion and how I viewed loot be handled at our joint raids. If being present at a raid was not a requirement, then Zilo would have a sky bow [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]. Its just a fundamental of how I view loot should be done with perhaps rare exceptions.

For most of the VD/IB joint raiding, we figured out loot on the fly as to who wanted / needed what. I would say 95% of the loot was decided at the moment without any second thought. No system is perfect but the one time we had a major disagreement we emerged with a better plan moving forward. I may have disagree'd at times with my counterpart but I always respected the people I dealt with, from the player / raid level, to the leader / officer level.

"The fact IB treated most from VD like shit especially on the raid leader level"

Your entitled to your opinion, I would not regard it as fact. Alot of personalities mix when you get two groups together, and players will always wrap themselves under the banner of the guild tag when butting heads with other players. Of the handful of incidents it was usually player v player , not guild v guild.

A few of IB joined VD on p99 after IB closed up shop. A few VD went to EQmac to play with the IB people. If fact was IB treated VD like shit then this would probable not be the case.

Were there a few exceptions with a few individuals who constantly butted heads, I guess. I was never really involved with the dynamics of Team A.

Either way I made alot of new friends in VD and these are my views on the subject.

fix'd

[Tarathiel]

Originally Posted by Autotune [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

BDA = Feeder guild for TMO.

How does that make you feel, BDA?

oh noes! people like nietche were so valuable, how will we ever survive without them?

have fun with our scraps