How do Barbarian Shamans and their toys hold up in Velious?

[quido]

Azeth why don't you go crawl back into whatever pussywhipped twink hole you crawled out of? Bitch

[Orruar]

Originally Posted by azeth [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Perhaps if you weren't so demonstrative folks would actually read your monologues.

Really, are we "undiluted idiots" for stating Fungi won't be the primary BP in Velious? Or are you just being a dick, per usual?

Perhaps if you didn't just make shit up, folks would actually read your monologues.

He didn't say we'd be wearing new bps in Velious. He said shamans only wear fungi now for fashion. And further stated that regen for a shaman is "meh". Yes torpor is great, but I'd rather be getting hp back mana-free and without the need for a 6 second cast of a spell. And when tanking hard hitters and brutal casters like in HS south, I may need to keep torpor up constantly. This means the regen actually allows me to continue to canni nonstop whereas without I may have to pause for a couple ticks.

[Orruar]

Originally Posted by Reikerz [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

If you're not using Vindicator BP in Velious you just need to reroll Druid or maybe stop playing the game. I can see wearing Fungi in Kunark because your options suck (JB BP is awful besides the clicky) but Vindi BP is one of the best shaman items in the entire expansion, plus it's so easy to get. I think I replaced my Vindi BP with Bloodlink Chestmail. That Velious BP served me until Gates of Discord.

Stun immunity is not god mode. But it could definitely save your ass. I mained a barbarian shaman for years, do you realize how many times I died because I had a critical spell like torpor or a re-turgurs bashed away? I raged every single time wishing I had rolled an ogre. Yes, most of the time you might get Canni III or IV bashed and it's inconsequential, but Murphy's Law still applies. A bit of regen might make you slightly more efficient. Having a spell stunned can kill you.

The regen and snare neck are tiny bonuses. They're not on par to stun immunity.

Nobody is talking about fungi in Velious except for Azeth who tried to use it (unsuccessfully) as a straw man.

And just because you couldn't time your spells around bashes doesn't mean nobody can. I suppose ogre is the easy choice if you can't figure out how to cast around the bash timer, on fights where it's necessary. Keep in mind that probably 80% of interrupts are due to damage, not to bash interrupt. I'd imagine most of your deaths from interrupts were due to straight damage and not bash, in which case iksar is the only one that helps with that.

[azeth]

Originally Posted by Orruar [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Nobody is talking about fungi in Velious except for Azeth who tried to use it (unsuccessfully) as a straw man..

hey genius, check the thread title.

seems as though you need puppet strings to accomplish anything, including rational thinking.

[Orruar]

Originally Posted by azeth [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

hey genius, check the thread title.

seems as though you need puppet strings to accomplish anything, including rational thinking.

Yes, because we all know that no thread has ever discussed anything not related to the title of the thread. You are clearly a master of internet forum etiquette. If you don't know what post I was referring to originally, I'd recommend you either look it up, or keep your mouth shut. Better to be silent and thought an idiot.

Your second sentence is just bizarre.

[quido]

Azeth your sig is misleading - that's not how the discussion went!

Are you sure your wife is alright with you posting here? Maybe you should delete your forum account too! I might have to tell on you.

[Orruar]

Originally Posted by azeth [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

hey genius, check the thread title.

Take your own advice before you give it. Fungi isn't even a topic of conversation if we are sticking to the thread title. You really should try and understand the context of the conversation before joining it.

[Splorf22]

Well if I were playing a shaman, I would use gamtexttriggers for 'tries to bash YOU' and 'bashes YOU' so I knew when the next one was coming.

[Orruar]

Originally Posted by Reikerz [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

God this is so wrong I don't know where to begin.

First of all, it's impossible to "time your spells around bash." You can't predict resists, interrupts, and about a dozen other elements that control when you need to cast specific spells. That's one of the most ridiculous claims I've ever heard. What, do you sit down and plan out your spell rotation over what could possibly be an hour long solo fight to avoid casting "important" spells every 32 seconds?

Also, damage doesn't cause spell interrupts. You're thinking of the knockback/push you receive from taking damage. Iksars aren't less affected by damage push, so that's also irrelevant.

Have you ever played a shaman before? Or even this game?

You're right about the Iksar thing, my bad.

For the rest, lol. If you don't understand the simple mechanisms of timing spells around a static timer like bash, that's ok. There's nothing wrong with being in a state of ignorance about such a thing. However, one should not hold such a strong opinion while in that state of ignorance.

[Orruar]

Originally Posted by Reikerz [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

You're missing the entire point of what I said. Sure you can run a parser and know when the next bash is coming. But what if you need need to cast a torpor or turgur's close to the next bash? Simply knowing the bash is coming doesn't help you at all. You can avoid casting an important spell but that doesn't help you, that just means that bash shut you down from casting an important spell that you needed to refresh. If you're an ogre, you can just ignore the bash and cast the important spells when you actually need to. Like I mentioned before, this could be the difference between winning and losing high-difficulty solo fights.

Since you seem to be struggling, I'll give you some tips.

1) You don't need a parser... Just have all mob hits on you go to one window and watch it for bashes. When mob is unslowed, you have 8 seconds. When mob is slowed, you have 32 seconds. I'm not real familiar with the WW dragons, but I assume most are slowable if shamans are soloing them. This makes the bash problem rather trivial.

2) You know when you'll need to land torpor. Assuming you want to keep it rolling 24x7, you have a 6 second window in which to cast and get the full benefit of every torpor. Knowing when in that 6 second window you need to cast depends on the bash timer.

3) Even ogres can run into problems with slow resists. That's why you begin recasting slow well before you need it to land. It's easier to do than torpor, since it's only 3 seconds of cast time. And if you're casting this spell, it means the mob is slowable, which means a 32 second bash window. If you can't figure out how to land a slow between bashes at this point, you might want to go back to Farmville.