ASOIAF / Game of Thrones (SPOILERS INSIDE)

[Hasbinlulz]

GRRM has the last books written and will parcel them out; until at his deathbed, he will release the final chapter in which every character dies, and new, unrelated stories begin.

[Dalven]

Aegon cannot be true if Tyrion is a Targaryen. There is enough evidence for that scenario in my mind, and enough for Aegon to be false, ie mummer's dragon among others (Dunk and Egg), that I think we can discount Aegon being a Targaryen. The dragon always has three heads. Jon, Dany, Tyrion. Being a Blackfyre would be interesting. If the Targaryens were extinguished, wouldn't that still make him the "true" heir to the throne, according to the oldest houses who derive their power from the Targaryens? Dany is not immortal and GRRM has a great predilection for chaos, blood, and twists. But really what I think is that Dorne will declare for Aegon and they will war with what remains of the military of the Kingdom on the Iron Throne. They will fight each other to a bloody, attritional standstill while Winter falls and the Others begin their march south from the shattered Wall and Jon Connington turns to stone, and the religious orders divide and destroy the realm from within.

As I've said earlier in the thread I am in the Aegon is a Blackfyre camp, which by extension could imply that Varys is a Blackfyre rather than a Targaryen as you have suggest earlier in the thread. I have my doubts that Illyrio and Varys' end game focuses around Dany; it would have required some incredible foresight regarding Viserys' death and Dany's rise to power, and even if they were originally planning on using Viserys as a puppet figurehead the appearance of Aegon changes (for us) what appears to be the focus of their end game. Although if Varys is a powerful magic user of some variety (and your points on this have made me think in this direction) maybe he did know. Certainly destabilisation of the realm was their long term goal, from the conversation Arya overhead in GoT, although whether it may be in aid of the Others (speculation) or simply creating the right conditions for their own chance to take over remains to be seen.

Also a fan of Tyrion being a Targaryen.

[Sirken]

Originally Posted by Dalven [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

I have my doubts that Illyrio and Varys' end game focuses around Dany; it would have required some incredible foresight regarding Viserys' death and Dany's rise to power, and even if they were originally planning on using Viserys as a puppet figurehead the appearance of Aegon changes (for us) what appears to be the focus of their end game. Although if Varys is a powerful magic user of some variety (and your points on this have made me think in this direction) maybe he did know. Certainly destabilisation of the realm was their long term goal, from the conversation Arya overhead in GoT, although whether it may be in aid of the Others (speculation) or simply creating the right conditions for their own chance to take over remains to be seen. Also a fan of Tyrion being a Targaryen.

i dont think Illyrio and Varys' end game focuses around Dany so much as it did targaryen.
i think plans switched to her after her brother died, and i think they were sped up when Robert died. as far as the convo arya overheard, i think that was more about creating the conditions they need in order to put their puppet on the throne.

as far as tyrion = tagaryen, i'm back and forth on it. it fits, but also i cant see Tywin ever saying "You are my son" to tyrion if he was not in fact Tywin's son. Hell, Tywin most likely would have drowned tyrion as a baby... a bastard tagaryen dwarf baby that killed his wife in child birth.

[Sirken]

also, i was wrong about something in my OP. theres no way Coldhands is Benjen Stark.

better chance Coldhands = the Night King, 13th commander of the nights watch. as one of the children of the forest claim hes been dead for a very long time. and since the children live thousands of years, 2 years (at most, the time since benjen disappeared) would not be considered a long time

[Sirken]

also, is there any way that Ned's brother, Brandon Stark, had a baby with Ashara Dayne?

[Safon]

Just finished the red wedding chapter and the two that follow it. Tywin is telling Tyrion of how the north and riverlands are to be carved up and fed to freys and boltons

I don't think I can stomach two more books of this lmao. I may have to find a new series to read

[Sirken]

Originally Posted by Safon [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Just finished the red wedding chapter and the two that follow it. Tywin is telling Tyrion of how the north and riverlands are to be carved up and fed to freys and boltons

I don't think I can stomach two more books of this lmao. I may have to find a new series to read

book 3 is the best, gotta finish every last page down to the epilogue [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

[Slave]

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book 3 is the best, gotta finish every last page down to the epilogue [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

The best book in the best fantasy series ever written, really. It's sort of a repeatedly cresting tidal wave that keeps getting fucking bigger.

[Krysttal]

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The best book in the best fantasy series ever written, really. It's sort of a repeatedly cresting tidal wave that keeps getting fucking bigger.

I use to agree with this.

Last comic con I went to my husband actually got into an agrument with some guy about how it was the greatest series ever. I kind of stood in the way and listened.

I ended up reading the the series he recomended. The First Law series by Joe Abercrombie.... while the first 3 books of the The First Law are good, the side books probably make the series better.

One that that makes me mad, and probably one of the reason why I have began getting pissed off at the series. I started reading Game of Thrones in 1998 in my senior year of high school. Martin takes his damn time writing, and he openly admits its becaue he has other projects going on at the same time. He has stated that its not unsusal for him to be co-writing 2 bookts, writing a graphic novel, and (more recently) doing tours. He only spends a few hours a week writing the ASOIAF series.

And what worries me, with 2, possibly 3 more books to be released, we may never see them. He is 64 years old and in poor health. His last two books to 5 years, then 6 years to write. (Notice before book 3 they were spread 2 years apart, partially because his fame and success lead him to take on more work). If Tthe Winds of Winter takes 5 years to make from 2011, your talking about 2017 ( He will be 67 years old) and then 2023 for A Dream of Spring, he will be pushing 72 years old...... we may never actually see the end of this book series.

It just frustrates me as a fan... and let me say. I am a fan. Weather it is the best fantasy book series may be an agrument that we dont want to get into.

While I like to say I think its a great fantasy novel for people who like complex stories and fantasy where its not "too fantasy" for people just getitng into the genre.

I highly recomend the First Law Trilogy, then the subseqeunt side stories by Joe Abercrombie. The book Best Serve Cold is probably the best book I ever read....

[Krysttal]

So as a fan of the book series, what has always bothered me is the vanishing of Benjen Stark.... I mean it seems that somone that was suppose to be "seasoned" could and would survive.... I have a feeling he will be coming back in TWoW.