ASOIAF / Game of Thrones (SPOILERS INSIDE)

[Frieza_Prexus]

Originally Posted by Patriam1066 [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

I agree completely with what you say about Stannis having the best claim, but I disagree with him being the best candidate. He punishes Davos for smuggling in an attempt to save the garrison, and calls it honor. If he were so honorable, he would kill himself for having benefitted from a smuggler's crimes, rather than exact draconian measures on a man simply trying to help. Stannis is too brutal to rule justly. I have no doubt that he could do the job well, but the lower classes would suffer from his intractable sense of "honor."

Stannis didn't cut his fingers for smuggling the onions. He cut off his fingers for ALL of his past smuggling crimes. The onions were simply an act of war in a time of war. He was rewarded for that specific act and never punished.

Stannis is by far the best candidate to rule the kingdom. He is an effective administrator, and that is what's needed most right now. With Kevan dead, there are very few people that could join the small council and actually govern. There are/were people who would be better rulers if they had a competent small council, but whoever takes the throne will pretty much be doing everything themselves at first.

Stannis is the only person who brings the full administrative package. He has experience in economics, administration, laws, and war. No one would be as effective or just as him in the current situation. Certainly, there are situations where people would be more effective rulers because of the support staff they have, but no one has that luxury, and whoever takes the throne will be flying solo for a while.

Stannis/Davos 2015.

[Sidelle]

Originally Posted by Patriam1066 [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Favorite characters:
1. Davos
2. Jon Snow
3. The hound
4. The Blackfish
5. Dany
I liked Tyrion until he got to Essos.

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Tyrion is the shit! He's my number one favorite character, hands down. He has a good heart deep down inside and really only wants to be loved. He's also clever and ambitious, which I respect a lot. Not to mention the great sense of humor and loyalty to his family (even if it's misplaced in some cases).

I agree with you about Ser Davos. I just love how honorable and ballsy he is. He does the right thing always, even if it means he'll die for it. He stands up to Stannis like no other because he sees how blinded he is regarding Melisandre and her so-called prophecies and predictions.

Dany was a girl I liked at one point. Or maybe I just felt pity for her being so alone in the world and used as a pawn by the ridiculously fat nerd, Illyrio, as well as the crafty Lord Varys. It made me root for her when she started accepting her lot in life as Khaleesi and really tried to make the best of it. I thought it was brilliant the way she handled (tamed?) Khal Drogo and earned his love and respect, even though part of me hated that she had to use sex to do it. In this male dominated world sometimes that becomes necessary. It's the only thing she had at that point.

But now Dany has become pretty arrogant (hubris much?) and in my opinion she's bringing a fuckton of shit down upon herself. She is biting off more than she can chew and is rapidly losing control of everything, including her dragons. So yeah, I can understand why people are annoyed with her because I am too.

My attention is piqued lately by the goings-on of the Dornish. I'm looking forward to seeing how Prince Doran and Princess Arianne's storyline unfolds.

Also, I really want more from the Blackfyres!

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[Millburn]

There's 3 different ways this could be interpreted ... either Sean Bean is trolling, Sean Bean let down a GIANT spoiler, or he knows nothing. I'm betting it's a healthy dose of 1 and 3 but it's a nice juicy bit to latch onto if you're sporting the R+L=J.

http://www.reddit.com/r/IAmA/comment...ds_ama/cjhnewf

[Tiax]

[–]AxeApollo 3206 points 6 hours ago

Why did you not teach Jon Snow anything?


[–]RealSeanBean[S] 4183 points 6 hours ago

HAHAHAHAH!

Because he's not mine!



[–]RealSeanBean[S] 4241 points 6 hours ago

Little bastard!

[Patriam1066]

Originally Posted by Sidelle [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Administrative skills aside, Stannis has embraced the dark side. It wasn't pork he and Melisandre were barbecuing on the beach at Dragonstone. It was his own men, even his brother-in-law, because they would not accept his new fanatical religious beliefs. What do you think he would do to the smallfolk if he would murder his own brother and bannermen?

Stannis is a tyrant and would probably be worse than Mad King Aerys ever was.

I strongly dislike him too. He's often described as 'fair' and 'just' but he's really just an evil, cold-hearted tyrant and no better than anyone else who would sell their souls for power. Someone who burns men alive for not converting to his new religion is not a great candidate for king of Westeros. That would not be a happy and secure realm. I think it's possible that he might actually become king at some point but I don't believe he would last very long.

^Pretty much sums up my feelings exactly. Stannis has abilities, but he utilizes them only in his self-serving quest to attain power. And I forgot about his religious purification rituals. If he took over the kingdoms, he might immediately start a sectarian religious war... Definitely a dubious candidate for king.

Originally Posted by Frieza_Prexus [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Renly was planning to kill Stannis. He even admitted to as much. Stannis is certainly not innocent, but with Davos around he has begun to recognize his faults (that's why he's at the wall in the first place). None of the potential leaders are perfect, and Stannis is clearly the best of the lot. Renly's death, while awful, is at least somewhat excusable. Usurping the throne is punishable by death, and in Stannis' view he is the one true king. Reasonably consistent despite a few mental backflips.

I can think of no other person alive I'd want running Westeros.

If Davos can straighten him out, I can possibly see him becoming a decent king. I think of the potential leaders, he has the most proven managerial skills. He could definitely run the kingdoms from a bureaucratic perspective. From a moral standpoint, however, he could easily become a tyrant. He feels that his claim gives him the right to just about anything: entitlement and disdain for others rarely breeds effective rule.

[Frieza_Prexus]

Originally Posted by Patriam1066 [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

If Davos can straighten him out, I can possibly see him becoming a decent king. I think of the potential leaders, he has the most proven managerial skills. He could definitely run the kingdoms from a bureaucratic perspective. From a moral standpoint, however, he could easily become a tyrant. He feels that his claim gives him the right to just about anything: entitlement and disdain for others rarely breeds effective rule.

I completely agree. Stannis won't be a "great" king; he will be a very effective king. He's already softened once by going up to the wall. He was trying to "be king so he could save the realm" when Davos reminded him to "save the realm to become king." All we need now is for Mel to sacrifice Shireen and for Stannis to rage-choke her to death and his transition will be complete.

Even with his current faults, he's STILL the one guy out of all the current candidates that I'd trust.

[Sirken]

Originally Posted by Frieza_Prexus [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

he's STILL the one guy out of all the current candidates that I'd trust.

this^

im not saying Stannis would be the best king in the history of kings. im saying out of the potential realistic candidates, he'd be the best (especially with Davos as his Hand), and has the best claim.

Stannis has a better claim than Jon, as the Targaryens were overthrown and thats where Jons claim would come from. they cant both have legitimate claims as one cancels out the other. that said, if the Targaryens just came and took the throne back, it wouldnt be the first time.

[Funkutron5000]

Originally Posted by Frieza_Prexus [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

All we need now is for Mel to sacrifice Shireen and for Stannis to rage-choke her to death and his transition will be complete.

This is most likely going to happen and I'm going to be super pissed. Shireen owns.

[Patriam1066]

Originally Posted by Frieza_Prexus [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

I completely agree. Stannis won't be a "great" king; he will be a very effective king. He's already softened once by going up to the wall. He was trying to "be king so he could save the realm" when Davos reminded him to "save the realm to become king." All we need now is for Mel to sacrifice Shireen and for Stannis to rage-choke her to death and his transition will be complete.

Even with his current faults, he's STILL the one guy out of all the current candidates that I'd trust.

If Shireen is sacrified, he'd definitely free himself of the evil within, in which case I will concede that he'd make a good king. But we were discussing present leadership. I guess we'll have to agree to disagree, because I'd take Jon Snow, Dany, Davos, Tyrion, and pretty much everyone who isn't a Frey or Petyr Baelish over Stannis. I don't hate his character (despite what I said earlier), he definitely has redeeming qualities, but I certainly don't want to see him ever take the throne. I am cheering for him against Ramsay though, which is important - I am against him taking the throne, but not against him playing a larger part in the saga.

It's definitely a matter of personal perspective, which is important since you brought up "trust". I am more inclined to trust Dany's intentions, for instance, as opposed to Stannis' capabilities. It's just what you'd look for in a leader. Personally, I think morality is more important than anything, including intelligence or efficacy... too many people have been great / intelligent / capable leaders that have failed to consider the populations under their control. Similarly, people with good intentions have often led their people unto the worst results, so it's purely a matter of choice. I don't think it likely that I'd ever accept Stannis, short of him taking the black and admitting all of his transgressions.

Also you *****s be crazy... Dany is hawt, has dragons, and is trying to hone her craft in Essos (admittedly by destroying cities haha) before even departing for KL. Sirken might be right about something... given her brother and father's madness, it could be true that she is moving towards insanity. If that's the case, I'll readily admit that I was wrong about her, but until then, I'm holding out for either her or Jon Snow... or the extremely unlikely Davos which would be my first choice for king. It's interesting how Rhaegar receives universal acclaim from the realm for his character, exploits, and abilities, while seemingly everyone else in his family (his immediate branch of the Targaryen line, not the entire Dynasty) fails at just about everything that they attempt.

On a side note, some of the worst casting in the show IMO were the Baratheons. They were supposed to be giant, imposing, physical specimens; I didn't picture Robert being some fat average height douche or Stannis to look like a substitute teacher.

[Sirken]

while i love Davos, theres 0 chance for him to be king. he has no claim, he has no army. Dany would have shit for a council. Jon Snow knows nothing. Dany is hot? shes like 16. but shes also retarded. who the hell would be her council? she has no common sense, she has no idea how westeros works, and shes losing control of her dragons. shes literally fucking useless.

Robert gets fat and drunky, if u wanna see young robert you're sol. also remember the Cleganes are bigger than the Baratheons. if u want to knit pick, Tywin and Syrio are bald, and Daario should have a blue trident beard.