ASOIAF / Game of Thrones (SPOILERS INSIDE)

[Mandalore93]

Ah! How could I forget Japan! The first person to ever unite the nation after a century of civil war rose from being a complete peasant! In fact all three of the unifiers rose from comparatively humble beginnings.

[Patriam1066]

Originally Posted by Mandalore93 [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Ah! How could I forget Japan! The first person to ever unite the nation after a century of civil war rose from being a complete peasant! In fact all three of the unifiers rose from comparatively humble beginnings.

Haha. Did not know that. I bet he wasn't like Baelish though. Also, the Japanese, post unification, were big ass holes until after WW2. They did some pretty reprehensible shit to their neighbors. So I guess I'm wrong... maybe he was like Baelish.

[Mandalore93]

Mhhm, thinking of two different eras I think. Toyetomi Hideyoshi rose from a peasant to serving as Lord Oda Nobunaga's sandal bearer. He showed initiative and rose through the ranks to become one of his leading generals. After Oda committed suicide (to prevent being captured by Mitsuhide Akechi) Hideyoshi force marched his army to defeat Mitsuhide. At this point it was him and Ieyasu Tokugawa together who could unite Japan. They fought a campaign right around Owari in the 1580s/1590s. Ieyasu decided to give in and let Hideyoshi win, since he figured he was old and that would leave Ieyasu in position to take control: Which he did after the battle of Sekigahara in 1600. The Tokugawa Shogunate would rule Japan until the 1868 Meiji Restoration.

[Mandalore93]

I'm pretty sure that Dany is going to come over to Westeros and turn truly insane (instead of just incompetent) before dying in the invasion of the Others.

[Patriam1066]

As long as she accomplishes something in that death I'm OK with that. If it ends with her being batshit crazy and a lunatic like Aerys, I'll be disappointed.

Ok, with Baelish and the Tyrells: Yes, they have mutual interests, and he knows their secret. But can he play that to the Iron Throne? I think not. Also, having Sansa, if he tries to utilize her to ascend, is going to lose him Harrenhal. Like I said before, I think he can realistically rule the Vale, or Harrenhal, but his choice to use Sansa to rise even higher isn't going to work out

[Mandalore93]

If there's anything that GRRM does, it's that he writes damn good deaths for his characters. I would count on that beyond anything else.

[Sirken]

dunno if u guys saw, but preston did his part 2 of baelish [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

[Patriam1066]

Not bad
I still think it's very hard for anyone to have a concrete idea of what the hell baelish is doing. He's entertaining again at least.

Sirken you should check out those brynden b fish links mandalore put up here... In particular, the Battle of Fire series is extremely interesting. He speculates a lot like preston, but it seems like there's more hard evidence

Part 1 of 6:
https://bryndenbfish.wordpress.com/2...thering-storm/

[Mandalore93]

Five minutes in and he's already committing a huge, HUGE fallacy. He's equating modern finance with the medieval equivalent. Especially in A Game of Thrones the actual crown land of the Iron Throne seems to be pretty small (I.E. the lands ruled directly by the crown) and as such would have remarkably small revenue when you think of the entire size of the kingdom. Assuming that there was any significant taxes on the other kingdoms it still probably wouldn't be that significant since the throne relies on their constant consent to rule. It was actually very normal in English history for the throne to want to go to war and have to raise taxes/debt spending but end up using the army they raised via taxes to put down tax rebellions. The English crown was literally ALWAYS in debt pretty much from William's time onwards unless they repudiated their debts (which they did multiple times). So regardless of Littlefinger's competence/incompetence/planning it's actually super realistic for them to be in shit tons of debt.

[Beastro]

Originally Posted by Mandalore93 [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Five minutes in and he's already committing a huge, HUGE fallacy. He's equating modern finance with the medieval equivalent. Especially in A Game of Thrones the actual crown land of the Iron Throne seems to be pretty small (I.E. the lands ruled directly by the crown) and as such would have remarkably small revenue when you think of the entire size of the kingdom. Assuming that there was any significant taxes on the other kingdoms it still probably wouldn't be that significant since the throne relies on their constant consent to rule. It was actually very normal in English history for the throne to want to go to war and have to raise taxes/debt spending but end up using the army they raised via taxes to put down tax rebellions. The English crown was literally ALWAYS in debt pretty much from William's time onwards unless they repudiated their debts (which they did multiple times). So regardless of Littlefinger's competence/incompetence/planning it's actually super realistic for them to be in shit tons of debt.

Not to mention the Spanish Hapsburgs which dealt with many of the historical foundations of his worlds banking system. It fucked them in the long run but it took a sterile inbred to die to end their rule of Spain, not the machinations of the Genoese.