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05-21-2015, 03:59 AM
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That sums it up. I notice this thread is on the second page a lot. I think we're mostly about done with this show.
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05-21-2015, 08:04 AM
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Yes, that graphic does sum it up. I'm trying to be patient with the show (maybe Jamie doesn't something awesome down there). Developing some interest in thinking about what showrunners are making up and what they're doing to follow Martin's story/outline.
At this point, how can we know when or if Martin will publish again. The sample chapters are fresh material to readers, but Martin wrote them years ago. I read all books between seasons 3-4 of show, and i can't imagine how hard it was for on-time book readers to handle the 5 year gaps. That's a whole nother thing, but its surely a thing. | ||
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05-18-2015, 09:03 PM
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Some thoughts on this season so far:
1. They've ruined Jaime's redemption for two seasons now. 2. Ramsay is not a main character, stop trying to make him one. 3. That Dorne sequence blows other than the dude playing Doran getting screen time 4. ^Sandstakes were completely ruined. 5. Theon is dickless both in the literal and metaphorical sense (although I suspect that was foreshadowing / the impetus for his redemption). 6. Can't wait for Cersei to hang herself on that rope she's unleashed in King's Landing 7. I only watch now for Tyrion, Baelish, and the inevitable downfall of the Boltons. Arya is good too. Oh, and I did seven thoughts as a symbolic gesture of support to the faith militant, who make me laugh both in the books and in the show.
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05-19-2015, 10:12 PM
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Count me in on hating the Dorne storyline. Its a mess. they have a lot of work in front of them to salvage. And, the fight scene between Sand Snakes and Jamie/Bronn was sad -- just the pits.
I also agree Jamie storyline is screwed up. He was on the road to becoming a leader, a statesmen. Major development. Now, he's floundering around in Dorne. If this is intended to illustrate Jamie's new code of honor, its looking like crap right now. I don't think Sansa deserves treament from Ramsay, but totally predictable. I do think this pushes the Sansa character toward a more vengeful, ruthless place, and possibly a plot against Baelish. She could be the agent to unite the North - against Boltons/Lannisters and involve any or all of Stannis, Brienne, and Theon. And, i suppose Jon, too. i like this. Martin left so many serious things hanging -- Aegon, Euron/Vic, Darkstar... Its hard to understand how these storylines could be abandoned by showrunners. I'll close with this. Many wanted to see Jaqen reappear, but this is not the smart, almost playful Jaqen was saw earlier. This guy is dark, heavy, somber (not that the HoBaW doesn't call for it). | ||
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05-21-2015, 09:41 AM
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Show is 90% total shit and a 10% sliver of interesting Oh cool' moments.
Got to love it when "showrunners" think they are writers. I'm fucking looking at you Season 2/3 walking dead | ||
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05-21-2015, 10:36 AM
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Some changes they had to make just because of how TV production works.
Merging the Sansa/Winterfell story lines for example - otherwise they'd just have to introduce 100 more characters and the girl who plays Sansa would basically be out of the show like Bran. The way they are doing Dorne is a mess though - not that they sent Jamie/Bronn down there, but just how bad the storyline/acting are (Sand Snakes in particular).
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05-21-2015, 11:02 AM
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You realize that when writers like Martin and Jordan attempt something so expansive in scope, they may not live to finish it, or they may not live long enough without becoming demented or senile, which is what I believe may be happening with Martin.
I expect him to put the next book out, but I don't expect him to finish the series. If the next book comes out, it will be my series finale. Any loose ends I will just consider to be material that will never be covered. I suspect that this season sucks so bad because they're biding time for the next book to come out next year before the 2016 season, when they'll be able to do a lot more shit because there's more canon material to cover.
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05-21-2015, 11:40 AM
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My opinion is Martin has lost his economic incentive to do the hard writing - story-telling. This problem started a decade ago. But, who knows...?
Offering up a luke-warm defense of showrunners; they do not have the luxury of years and stay true to actors' maturation and professional lives. They have to march forward and hue to calendar, thus they were working with constraints from the start. They met and agreed to show concept with Martin in 2005. Reached agreement with HBO early in 2007. Four books already published, and they probably considered 5th due out anytime. They very likely expected series to be concluded just in time for them to work with that material. Martin got them to the moon with no way back. Now, they're problem solving. The question in my mind is, how much detail has Martin shared? How much of the show's storyline consolidation and bending/folding is being done with complete fore knowledge? | ||
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