Seafury Isle

[Ephi]

Originally Posted by Netherzul [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

So, what's the deal with this place? Is this the angsty player hangout?

Thus far I've had a BDA Druid accuse & "warn" me from stealing FTE on their snared mob (who, ironically did not chase me "ensnared"), an Enchanter charming my mobs at 15% so they die for no exp/loot (Raemius) and the looting of my kills while I fought 7-8 giants by a Necro in FC.

Yes, I do big pulls but no, I am not obligated to "share" them with others, especially when my first day there, all 3 of the above things happened within an hour time frame.

Is there a spot to farm for coin that is filled with less MEMEMEME or am I stuck dealing with shitheads until I get the plat I need for what I'm after?

The short answer to your first question is: yes. We respond to issues in OOT almost daily. And it's almost always the same thing (soandso quad kites, someone trains them or starts fearing their mobs).

That said, most of the spawns on the island are roaming, so FTE is the basic rule there. I wouldn't recommend setting up camp at the top of the hill unless you like getting griefed by other players for monopolizing the hill. I also wouldn't recommend trying to consume every spawn by quad kiting or whatever. Sharing is caring. The people who get the most grief are always those who are frankly being greedy. Against the rules? No. Makes you look like a jackass? Yes.

If you have an issue with a player, please petition it. If you have fraps or screenshots of them griefing you, all the better. All this is to say: two wrongs don't make a right. So whatever you (or anyone else) does, do not return the favor if someone gives you trouble. That's a good way to get suspended.

[HIYO]

Originally Posted by Ephi [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

If you have issues with someone looting your corpses before you get to them... well... loot faster. It's perfectly legit to loot a corpse which has opened up to other players (unless it's a raid mob).

Good to know,

[Nivar Quartz]

Originally Posted by Ephi [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

The short answer to your first question is: yes. We respond to issues in OOT almost daily. And it's almost always the same thing (soandso quad kites, someone trains them or starts fearing their mobs).

That said, most of the spawns on the island are roaming, so FTE is the basic rule there. I wouldn't recommend setting up camp at the top of the hill unless you like getting griefed by other players for monopolizing the hill. I also wouldn't recommend trying to consume every spawn by quad kiting or whatever. Sharing is caring. The people who get the most grief are always those who are frankly being greedy. Against the rules? No. Makes you look like a jackass? Yes.

If you have an issue with a player, please petition it. If you have fraps or screenshots of them griefing you, all the better. All this is to say: two wrongs don't make a right. So whatever you (or anyone else) does, do not return the favor if someone gives you trouble. That's a good way to get suspended.

If you have issues with someone looting your corpses before you get to them... well... loot faster. It's perfectly legit to loot a corpse which has opened up to other players (unless it's a raid mob). If I see someone trying to own the whole island but can't loot their corpses, you better believe I'm going to run in there and scoop it up. [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

And this spells LOL's inc

[Frieza_Prexus]

Originally Posted by Ephi [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

It's perfectly legit to loot a corpse which has opened up to other players (unless it's a raid mob).

I know this is a derail, so I apologize for that, however I feel that this statement begs some questions.

With all due respect, I believe this statement is an inaccurate reflection of current P99 rules as implemented by Rogean. I would like to open a discussion (however brief or extensive) on the topic to understand more properly these rules. I would, of course, love for Rogean or Nilbog to weigh in.

With that said, I believe the current state of P99 rules regarding unlocked corpses is that it is unlawful to loot any mob (raid or lay) that you either did not kill yourself (individually or as participant in a raid/group) or have not been granted explicit permission to loot.

I believe this is the case as discussed in my posts here:

Initial reasoning: http://www.project1999.org/forums/sh...0&postcount=19
On Ninja Looting: http://www.project1999.org/forums/sh...1&postcount=44
Why Rogean's statements do not differentiate between raids and individuals; only ownership (individually or collectively) of a mob's corpse matters: http://www.project1999.org/forums/sh...5&postcount=73 and http://www.project1999.org/forums/sh...8&postcount=41

It seems to me that because ninja looting is an individual offense, and because Rogean rebuts the idea that raids and individual offenses are different, that looting any mob to which you do not already own or have been granted the rights to is wrong.

If we allow corpse unlocking to absolve any concept of ninja looting, the concept begins to lose any and all meaning. What if I kill the paw buster and I tell my friend to come loot the pipe only to have the corpse unlock before he gets there? If a random monk comes by and loots it, does he have no culpability because the corpse unlocked?

I believe that would not only be bad policy, but that it is not the state of the rules on P99. In all of this, there is an argument that one can cede their loot rights to a mob by their behavior (such as running away or camping), but this is a possible exception to the general rule. To investigate this exception will require a case by case analysis and a factual inquiry into the specific circumstances. Yes, it is obviously smart to lock a corpse you mean to preserve, but that is not the issue. We are talking about the ownership of loot rights. This is an open question to the community, and I believe we would prosper greatly from a final and authoritative explanation.

[Ephi]

Originally Posted by Frieza_Prexus [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

I know this is a derail, so I apologize for that, however I feel that this statement begs some questions.

With all due respect, I believe this statement is an inaccurate reflection of current P99 rules as implemented by Rogean. I would like to open a discussion (however brief or extensive) on the topic to understand more properly these rules. I would, of course, love for Rogean or Nilbog to weigh in.

With that said, I believe the current state of P99 rules regarding unlocked corpses is that it is unlawful to loot any mob (raid or lay) that you either did not kill yourself (individually or as participant in a raid/group) or have not been granted explicit permission to loot.

I believe this is the case as discussed in my posts here:

Initial reasoning: http://www.project1999.org/forums/sh...0&postcount=19
On Ninja Looting: http://www.project1999.org/forums/sh...1&postcount=44
Why Rogean's statements do not differentiate between raids and individuals; only ownership (individually or collectively) of a mob's corpse matters: http://www.project1999.org/forums/sh...5&postcount=73 and http://www.project1999.org/forums/sh...8&postcount=41

It seems to me that because ninja looting is an individual offense, and because Rogean rebuts the idea that raids and individual offenses are different, that looting any mob to which you do not already own or have been granted the rights to is wrong.

If we allow corpse unlocking to absolve any concept of ninja looting, the concept begins to lose any and all meaning. What if I kill the paw buster and I tell my friend to come loot the pipe only to have the corpse unlock before he gets there? If a random monk comes by and loots it, does he have no culpability because the corpse unlocked?

I believe that would not only be bad policy, but that it is not the state of the rules on P99. In all of this, there is an argument that one can cede their loot rights to a mob by their behavior (such as running away or camping), but this is a possible exception to the general rule. To investigate this exception will require a case by case analysis and a factual inquiry into the specific circumstances. Yes, it is obviously smart to lock a corpse you mean to preserve, but that is not the issue. We are talking about the ownership of loot rights. This is an open question to the community, and I believe we would prosper greatly from a final and authoritative explanation.

Well said, and in many cases very accurate. What I said was more of an off-the-cuff remark (which I now regret, and will edit my post to reflect) than an enforceable rule.

We certainly investigate any and all instances of ninja looting, however trivial. That said, there are many occasions where nothing is done. A great example is someone who camps the AC, and then logs to an alt to loot it. If someone came along and looted the ring in the interim, we likely wouldn't discipline anyone.

Now obviously you can't just leave it at that either, every scenario is unique and investigated as such.

More importantly, just have someone lock the corpse to prevent it in the first place [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

[Daldolma]

Originally Posted by Frieza_Prexus [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

I know this is a derail, so I apologize for that, however I feel that this statement begs some questions.

With all due respect, I believe this statement is an inaccurate reflection of current P99 rules as implemented by Rogean. I would like to open a discussion (however brief or extensive) on the topic to understand more properly these rules. I would, of course, love for Rogean or Nilbog to weigh in.

With that said, I believe the current state of P99 rules regarding unlocked corpses is that it is unlawful to loot any mob (raid or lay) that you either did not kill yourself (individually or as participant in a raid/group) or have not been granted explicit permission to loot.

I believe this is the case as discussed in my posts here:

Initial reasoning: http://www.project1999.org/forums/sh...0&postcount=19
On Ninja Looting: http://www.project1999.org/forums/sh...1&postcount=44
Why Rogean's statements do not differentiate between raids and individuals; only ownership (individually or collectively) of a mob's corpse matters: http://www.project1999.org/forums/sh...5&postcount=73 and http://www.project1999.org/forums/sh...8&postcount=41

It seems to me that because ninja looting is an individual offense, and because Rogean rebuts the idea that raids and individual offenses are different, that looting any mob to which you do not already own or have been granted the rights to is wrong.

If we allow corpse unlocking to absolve any concept of ninja looting, the concept begins to lose any and all meaning. What if I kill the paw buster and I tell my friend to come loot the pipe only to have the corpse unlock before he gets there? If a random monk comes by and loots it, does he have no culpability because the corpse unlocked?

I believe that would not only be bad policy, but that it is not the state of the rules on P99. In all of this, there is an argument that one can cede their loot rights to a mob by their behavior (such as running away or camping), but this is a possible exception to the general rule. To investigate this exception will require a case by case analysis and a factual inquiry into the specific circumstances. Yes, it is obviously smart to lock a corpse you mean to preserve, but that is not the issue. We are talking about the ownership of loot rights. This is an open question to the community, and I believe we would prosper greatly from a final and authoritative explanation.

2L?

[gotrocks]

Originally Posted by Ephi [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Against the rules? No. Makes you look like a jackass? Yes.

Sharing is caring.

I am just a carebear, but this is my general philosphy about eq. Do things like a dick, get treated like a dick. Share, be fair to everyone, and be courteous and you'll have alot more friends/fun.

Unless of course you like having your pixels alone. I don't, and I do have a life outside this game. Maybe thats why im not a sociopath about eq.

[doraf]

Originally Posted by Netherzul [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

So, what's the deal with this place? Is this the angsty player hangout?

Thus far I've had a BDA Druid accuse & "warn" me from stealing FTE on their snared mob (who, ironically did not chase me "ensnared"), an Enchanter charming my mobs at 15% so they die for no exp/loot (Raemius) and the looting of my kills while I fought 7-8 giants by a Necro in FC.

Yes, I do big pulls but no, I am not obligated to "share" them with others, especially when my first day there, all 3 of the above things happened within an hour time frame.

Is there a spot to farm for coin that is filled with less MEMEMEME or am I stuck dealing with shitheads until I get the plat I need for what I'm after?

You have to be a major asshole to piss of Raemius. He's a good guy. You on the other hard sound like a major douchebag.

[fishingme]

Originally Posted by doraf [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

You have to be a major asshole to piss of Raemius. He's a good guy. You on the other hard sound like a major douchebag.

Actually netherzul is a fantastic guy, extremely helpful. Raemius must of forgotten to take his meds that day.

[Kassel]

Xasten it should not be news to you that the rules change on this server depending on which gm responds.