What do you guys estimate Flawless gems will sell for in Velious?

[Itap]

Originally Posted by falkun [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Please remove the tinfoil hats and go back to your regularly scheduled grinding.

lol'd at this

[Splorf22]

Please Alarti. We all know the cockblocking when Velious comes out will be epic. TMO of course will not be the only one doing it, they'll just be more effective/organized and less employed (had to throw that in there) than some others. When Kunark came there were 1000 people on the server. We are back to that population now almost, and god knows how many people have quit waiting for Velious. I predict that population will be 1000-1500 depending on the time of day the first few months after Velious releases. So probably 1000 people will be straight L60. In addition, unlike Kunark there is no leveling to be done. So everyone will go straight for the gear zones. Which means there will be 200+ people each in Kael, Skyshrine, Plane of Growth . . .

Now lets consider Kunark: half the number of people, and what did people do: massive cockblocking. TR had the crypt monopolized, Pwny was at the King all day, hell your guild went and tried to get all of the lockets in Droga. Multiply this by 10 and you get Velious.

There is only 1 solution imo: a new server that launches at precisely the same time as Velious so people have to choose.

[Elements]

Originally Posted by Splorf22 [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Please Alarti. We all know the cockblocking when Velious comes out will be epic. TMO of course will not be the only one doing it, they'll just be more effective/organized and less employed (had to throw that in there) than some others. When Kunark came there were 1000 people on the server. We are back to that population now almost, and god knows how many people have quit waiting for Velious. I predict that population will be 1000-1500 depending on the time of day the first few months after Velious releases. So probably 1000 people will be straight L60. In addition, unlike Kunark there is no leveling to be done. So everyone will go straight for the gear zones. Which means there will be 200+ people each in Kael, Skyshrine, Plane of Growth . . .

Now lets consider Kunark: half the number of people, and what did people do: massive cockblocking. TR had the crypt monopolized, Pwny was at the King all day, hell your guild went and tried to get all of the lockets in Droga. Multiply this by 10 and you get Velious.

There is only 1 solution imo: a new server that launches at precisely the same time as Velious so people have to choose.

I really like this idea. Fresh server launch for velious. But never going to happen.

[Ele]

Originally Posted by Elements [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

I really like this idea. Fresh server launch for velious. But never going to happen.

Let's work the bugs out before launching new servers, so the proper patch timeline is in place !

[Alarti0001]

Originally Posted by Splorf22 [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Please Alarti. We all know the cockblocking when Velious comes out will be epic. TMO of course will not be the only one doing it, they'll just be more effective/organized and less employed (had to throw that in there) than some others. When Kunark came there were 1000 people on the server. We are back to that population now almost, and god knows how many people have quit waiting for Velious. I predict that population will be 1000-1500 depending on the time of day the first few months after Velious releases. So probably 1000 people will be straight L60. In addition, unlike Kunark there is no leveling to be done. So everyone will go straight for the gear zones. Which means there will be 200+ people each in Kael, Skyshrine, Plane of Growth . . .

Now lets consider Kunark: half the number of people, and what did people do: massive cockblocking. TR had the crypt monopolized, Pwny was at the King all day, hell your guild went and tried to get all of the lockets in Droga. Multiply this by 10 and you get Velious.

There is only 1 solution imo: a new server that launches at precisely the same time as Velious so people have to choose.

Your pseudo-logic and pseudo-math isn't doing you any justice.

I'd predict over 1500 honestly as a server pop.
TMO will be too busy wiping to Aaryonar to worry about "gear" zones.

Your multiplication just seems ridiculous where did you pull that number from? What idea did you base this projection on? Its ludicrous. Stick to enchanter guides you are out of your depth here.

[Splorf22]

Originally Posted by Alarti0001 [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Silly ad-hominems and overblown scepticism

You know Alarti, you remind me of a class I had in Western Civilization. I was taught the 'Socratic Method' as just asking 'why why why' over and over again. It's easy to sit there and never make any predictions and just chant 'more evidence' like some sort of mantra. You can always demand more confidence; even stuff like the theory of gravity has only been tested to 10 9s or something. Obviously no one knows for sure what is going to happen in Velious, but what evidence we have (major cockblocking in Kunark, including by your guild + increased high level population) suggests that things will be even worse in Velious.

Anyway, I logged on real quick and /who all count -> 600 while /who all 50 60 count -> 200. Considering the number of people with high level chars who play EC mules or alts or what not, I would be shocked if 50% of the active players on the server don't have a L50+ character. Combine this with the people who have high level chars but don't play because they got bored waiting for Velious, and I think my 2/3 50+ estimate is quite reasonable. Suppose I am wrong, though and only 1/3 is 50+. That still leaves 500 players across the high level zones. More than enough to hold everything down.

Meanwhile lets look at your own guild. According to your roster you have 112 people who are more or less active. Suppose you have 50-60 come back for Velious and that the average play time is 8 hours per day. 180/3 = 60 on at all times. So you can have 40 wiping to Aaronyar and 20 holding down say East ToV 24/7.

I suppose you are just anxious to forget those Droga days [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.] I rememer some hilarious threads about TMO spies back in the day.

edit: I would like to add that I don't have any huge issues with how TMO behaves as a guild. You guys at least sell the stuff don't need on the market, even if your prices are outrageous. In the end you guys can play however you want as long as you abide by the server rules. My problem is with the system that forces players to compete on tracking hours and the desire to batphone in to kill stuff at 3AM.

edit2: how dare you guys dock my hero Crazyeyes 300+ dkp!

[Vexenu]

Originally Posted by Splorf22 [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

There is only 1 solution imo: a new server that launches at precisely the same time as Velious so people have to choose.

Perfect time to launch a PvP-teams server.

Or at least a "Purple" server with PvP-enabled raid zones and one-hour notice spawn announcements.

Anything to avoid a repeat of the pathetic, laughable, totally non-classic "competition" that goes along with high-end raiding here.

Now if you'll excuse me, I need to go purchase a few more characters to camp out around Norrath at various raid targets.

[Alarti0001]

Originally Posted by Vexenu [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Perfect time to launch a PvP-teams server.

Or at least a "Purple" server with PvP-enabled raid zones and one-hour notice spawn announcements.

Anything to avoid a repeat of the pathetic, laughable, totally non-classic "competition" that goes along with high-end raiding here.

Now if you'll excuse me, I need to go purchase a few more characters to camp out around Norrath at various raid targets.

Because camping out for instant engages will be applicable in velious? Derp

[falkun]

Quick example...
https://www.project1999.org/forums/s...22&#post427222

Just goes to prove the circular life cycle of the server.

[Alarti0001]

Originally Posted by falkun [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Quick example...
https://www.project1999.org/forums/s...22&#post427222

Just goes to prove the circular life cycle of the server.

Lol See here is where you are confused. IB/TR/Whoever ran off the server when they had maybe 5% of their guild in VP gear and a low percentage of players epiccd. They had 0 bard/necro/wizard epics for that matter. So them saying "we bored, we leavin, we already won" is telling because it wasn't true. However, different scenario, TMO isn't leaving, we don't need to save face (FE has yet to touch anything in VP), we actually have 99% of our players epic'd and a very very large amount of our mains with BiS gear including VP.
They also weren't talking about the raid differences of Velious compared to Kunark.