Petition for permanent IP ban punishment option

[SirAlvarex]

Originally Posted by skipdog [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Permanent IP bans are not a solution, period. Many have made the reasons quite clear in this thread.

I think people are REALLY overstating the RMT problem on the server. People who think prices are going up everywhere because of RMT are not thinking the situation all the way through.

Honestly, RMT has very little impact on the economy. RMT isn't why Fungis are now 85k.

I don't know what a good solution is for permanent bannings. I just don't think it is possible on an emulated server. At least on live servers you can require the person to pay for the game with each banning, but that never even stopped them.

I just don't think the technology exists to permanently stop a person from creating an account and logging onto the server. The best practice is to probably simply delevel/strip all associated toons on banned accounts, as well as all mule accounts associated with them. At least force them to level up new characters and rebuild their wealth from scratch again.

You make a good point. RMT isn't the reason stuff is more expensive (tons of "old" players that came back had tons of cash due to farming Seafurries when they would drop up to 5k an hour *while being uberly over camped*).

But RMT is the one thing that could shut the server down if Sony were to want to. Right now Sony's only weapon is burying the server owners in legal fees, as they aren't doing anything that is illegal. But if *someone* were to profit off the game via direct "pay for play" rewards, then that is more than enough leg to stand on to shut the server down.

And for what it's worth, Smed loves that this server exists. So I'd prefer it if some D-Bags didn't give him a reason to change his stance...

[Lyra]

Originally Posted by skipdog [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

I think people are REALLY overstating the RMT problem on the server.

I think a lot of buyers have convinced themselves buying plat doesn't hurt anything.

[OMGWTF420]

make account selling illegal

[pyrese]

Originally Posted by Bidoof [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Only problem I see would be the fluidity of IP addresses. Most people have dynamic IPs. I unplug my modem for 5 minutes, I get a new one assigned to me. Even ignoring that, a really determined person could do a bunch of things: get a new ISP, use a phone tether, connect at a public place, hide behind 7 proxies, etc.

Though I would totally get behind an effort that would permanently ban the types of offenders you list.

I've voted no for the above quoted reason and for a similar reason.

One of the local pizza parlors has a list on the wall next to their telephone with a list of 'do not answers'. The phone numbers on this list correspond to people who fail to pay or prank in some other manner. However, that list has been up there for ages. Surely the owners of some of those numbers have changed by now, but the ban still remains on the wall. I would hate to be the poor soul who happened to by all the terrible luck in the world run in to a similar situation here were bans by IP implemented.

[feanan]

Staff likes to delete the threads as fast as they can, but last year there were a lot of threads where people posted how much they had made off of RMTing here, with screenshots of paypal accounts, etc

All in all, I was quite surprised, it was a shit ton of money

[Rhambuk]

Originally Posted by SirAlvarex [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

But RMT is the one thing that could shut the server down if Sony were to want to. Right now Sony's only weapon is burying the server owners in legal fees, as they aren't doing anything that is illegal. But if *someone* were to profit off the game via direct "pay for play" rewards, then that is more than enough leg to stand on to shut the server down.

And for what it's worth, Smed loves that this server exists. So I'd prefer it if some D-Bags didn't give him a reason to change his stance...

This is the real concern, the rmters dont care about the server obviously and as long as they can make money off of a free to play emu they wont stop. They don't understand or care that they are destroying a free to play game for about 1 thousand people, but who cares as long as they can make some easy cash...

[shooteneq1]

seems to me you just hit people where it hurts, the pocketbook. if they cant make money off of the game they wont bother. these plat sellers have hundreds of thousands or millions of plat, it would take some time but i would think they would be able to flag all accounts with over a certain threshold and then everytime that account gives say 25k or more to another toon it flags it for investigation. after awhile when you see an account with 3 million plat and it consistently is giving plat to multiple different characters on a daily basis its not hard to see whats going on. talk to all parties involved and see what they have to say, seller will obviously deny, but im sure if the buyers get told that theres an investigation going on and if they come clean they wont get banned but just get a suspension they will flip on the seller, then just delete all the sellers plat.

Would this take time, yes
would it completely get rid of rmt, no
would it make a dent and make a lot of regular players happy, yes

Also this nocturne guy who admits to propositioning rmt and is in your face about it, if he wants to sink into the shadows and play and not cause ruffles he obviously can, but it is really a slap in the face when this guy comes right out admitting what he does and the devs dont do anything about it, it sets a real bad example when you tell everyone rmt isnt tolerated and is done in back alleys but then a guy flaunts it on the forums and you do nothing about it.

[Hailto]

Originally Posted by Tecmos Deception [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

In other news, the death penalty not only deters everyone from committing heinous crimes, but it also never gets used on innocent parties by accident!

Voted no for this reason alone.

GMs occasionally make the wrong decision, i dont want to have the threat of being permanently IP banned because of a fuck up. Having your account banned is punishment enough.

[Szeth1]

Probably should curb the UNBANNING FROM RMT FLAGGED ACCOUNTS THEN EH!? LOOKING AT YOU SZETH

[skipdog]

Originally Posted by Lyra [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

I think a lot of buyers have convinced themselves buying plat doesn't hurt anything.

Don't get me wrong, I TOTALLY agree with you.

I totally am down with enforcing the total deletion of anybody associated with any sort of RMTing in any way.

I never attempted to make any points about the drawbacks of RMT to the server.

The primary point I wanted to make, was that RMT has absolutely nothing to do with rising prices in p1999's economy, and many people were implying that.