Current Sky Schedule

[Thulack]

IB was up there yesterday when i went up to recorpse.

[mrmop520]

Yeah its obvious they have no intention of working with any other guild-I had contacted Getsome yesterday regarding their clear and specifically requested them to leave alone bees (so FC can try 6 which we've been workin towards). Their actions were to not only kill bees, but to kill guardian / lord so late(6PM) that a weekday raid would not be able to engage island 5 till 2am..

Who knows if a slot on the rotation would even prevent this... but expect sky days to be walked on and ruined until IB has a spot.

[pharmakos]

Originally Posted by Vianna [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

IB goes to sky today before Full Circle sky raid and clears all of 5 including guardian. I thought they got a day on Sunday they were sharing ? We dont mind you guys going up to clear some Lords on 5 on a day that is scheduled for another guild...at least leave Guardian up and not completely screw over a raid that is on the rotation.

Originally Posted by getsome [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

In lieu of no response IB raided islands 1 - 4 on a weekday between the hours of noon - 2 pm. If the "rotation" is now closed as the case seems to be, we will raid sky on our own terms.

Thank you.

Originally Posted by mrmop520 [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Yeah its obvious they have no intention of working with any other guild-I had contacted Getsome yesterday regarding their clear and specifically requested them to leave alone bees (so FC can try 6 which we've been workin towards). Their actions were to not only kill bees, but to kill guardian / lord so late(6PM) that a weekday raid would not be able to engage island 5 till 2am..

Who knows if a slot on the rotation would even prevent this... but expect sky days to be walked on and ruined until IB has a spot.

i'm confused

what time does FC usually start their sky raids? island 5 at 2AM isn't that unreasonable. clearing all of sky used to be considered a two day event back in 2000. if IB did indeed start sky at noon-2PM then i don't really see what they did wrong.

Azure Guard and Forceful Entry share Sky on Saturdays. sometimes we can't start Island 2 until 9PM-10PM because of it, but you don't see us clamoring on the forum accusing them of walking all over the rotation.

its a crowded server, stuff happens. this is EverQuest, raiding until past 2AM is a pretty common thing.

[mrmop520]

Originally Posted by pharmakos [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

i'm confused

what time does FC usually start their sky raids? island 5 at 2AM isn't that unreasonable. clearing all of sky used to be considered a two day event back in 2000. if IB did indeed start sky at noon-2PM then i don't really see what they did wrong.

Azure Guard and Forceful Entry share Sky on Saturdays. sometimes we can't start Island 2 until 9PM-10PM because of it, but you don't see us clamoring on the forum accusing them of walking all over the rotation.

its a crowded server, stuff happens. this is EverQuest, raiding until past 2AM is a pretty common thing.

We usually start at 7pm EST. Being a primarily eastern timezone guild we have to start early because people have work the next day. While a later raid works on weekends, on weekdays its a strain on everyone, usually we are up to island 5 by 10pm, so this threw off our raid considerably as we were literally waiting as every island after 1 popped.. this was after starting late at 8pm to compensate for IB clearing.

Either way, after trying to communicate and reach an agreement to leave bees/guardian alone, and having Getsome (their raid leader) agree to it.. its absurd to port up and see bee queen engaged.

[kenzar]

Originally Posted by mrmop520 [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Either way, after trying to communicate and reach an agreement to leave bees/guardian alone, and having Getsome (their raid leader) agree to it.. its absurd to port up and see bee queen engaged.

That is absurd! It's almost like the server raids works on an FTE ruleset.

Originally Posted by spoils [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

So far the facts are...ib went up and pissed off people...they said mah bad, then asked for a slot. No one spoke up including the people who got pissed, and so ib decided it was time to remind you of why y'all got so mad.

accurate.

[Vianna]

Originally Posted by mrmop520 [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

We usually start at 7pm EST. Being a primarily eastern timezone guild we have to start early because people have work the next day. While a later raid works on weekends, on weekdays its a strain on everyone, usually we are up to island 5 by 10pm, so this threw off our raid considerably as we were literally waiting as every island after 1 popped.. this was after starting late at 8pm to compensate for IB clearing.

Either way, after trying to communicate and reach an agreement to leave bees/guardian alone, and having Getsome (their raid leader) agree to it.. its absurd to port up and see bee queen engaged.

But Ramblin... They just said if we contact them in game it would be the best way....Don't tell me they just don't want to work with anyone and want everything their way. This couldn't be true because they are so agreeable with everything else.

[kenzar]

The recent tone of this thread is puzzling. People are very vocal and upset when IB raids sky without regard to a rotation. Then, as soon as IB formally requests a spot within the rotation, everyone clams up (with the exception of Ateam, ty) and the request goes unanswered for weeks. Fuck that passive-aggressive mentality; be assertive. You can pussyfoot around about it if you want, but IB is not going to sit idle while "waiting" for an answer that may not ever come. That's simply not how we do things.

[xCry0x]

Given the excessive number of guilds who are sky capable the server is in a shitty situation.

IB wants added to rotation, rightfully so. But there literally is 0 spots available and I honestly cannot think of any reasonable solution to the problem.

The only 'solution' that comes to mind would be some sort of massive server wide public raid setup where we move away from the paradigm of guild x monday guild y tuesday etc and move towards guild x leads monday (public) guild y leads Tuesday (public) to spread out the leadership job while not alienating guilds.

To become part of the rotation a guild would have to demonstrate they are capable of a full clear killing spiroc lord, bee, eye by themselves. (nobody wants to hand hold and feed loot to anyone)

Then you get into the issue of how loot is distributed? I know when we go we usually random everything since only a couple of people ever need anything... if things went to a public raid then the numbers would go up and more people would probably need items. Maybe ./random with priority going to lvl 60s?

Not sure what the correct answer is but having 1 guild that is more than capable of clearing sky left on the sidelines is going to result in nothing more than a cluster fk and more server drama as events like these happen regularly.

-another solution?-

I have made the argument before that the situation on the server is in itself non-classic due to the whole timeline of things. On a classic timeline there would not be 10+ guilds capable of clearing sky, therefor maybe the solution needs to be a non-classic solution?

I think the stone in the road to more guilds getting into sky is that the bee queen is a 12 hr respawn while everything else is 6hr? (someone has to correct me if I am wrong as I don't pay a ton of attention to these things).

Well editing the respawn to be 6 hrs like the rest of the place would easily allow double full clears on Sat/Sunday and the potential of an additional clear on weekdays if guild 1 starts at noon est and guild 2 starts ~6pm est.

Taking it a step further, lowering the respawn to 4-5 hours all around would make the whole thing a lot more viable.

Of course this goes down a slipper slope, hey , why not make instances? Hey, make trak respawn every 5 hours so everyone can kill him..

Hey, restart on a new server so this whole non-classic timeline bullshit is cleared =P

[Trax]

Or, you can man up and just go up when you need something and not suck so the next people clearing behind you aren't waiting more than 15min on respawns.

In response to that guy commenting about IB once a month in Sky:

Last I checked, IB went up there at 12noon EST. They finished Island 4 and 5 in time for your guild to come up and start clearing during their set raid time. You're mad about what? Killing Bees? I'm sorry they didn't respect your Disneyland rotation. We'll be sure to check in with Walt next time before we zone into Plane of Sky.

One Sky raid a month for IB isn't going to work.

[Hurley]

They have a bunch of level 54's they actually need the sky loot.