So how about that Zimmerman trial? - Page 10

Daldolma · #91 07-03-2013, 03:38 PM

martin's character is a red herring

criminal or honor roll student, all that matters is what he did when he was confronted by zimmerman

and we have absolutely no evidence one way or the other. so it doesn't even matter what he did. what happened is unknowable. zimmerman's account is reasonable and there's nobody to contradict it

acquitted

Flamewraith · #92 07-03-2013, 03:41 PM

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Then you are as uncivilized as that "child" was. Sorry if some of us recognize this thing known as society and don't resort to physical violence and ask questions later.

Gonna have to go with Kaga here. It seems like a very rash decision to jump someone because they are following you.... What if they had no malicious intent at all? You just assaulted an innocent.

Flamewraith · #93 07-03-2013, 03:44 PM

For those of you who aren't aware, Martin was not the angel that he is depicted as by his mother. He was staying with his father as a punishment because of drug use, and his twitter can account to him having a terrible "gangster" attitude. I do believe Zimmerman may have been a bit over intrusive on his investigation of Martin, but I think in the end Martin was a shithead who jumped a man when he felt threatened.

Samoht · #94 07-03-2013, 03:45 PM

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How exactly?

the location of zimmerman's house is completely irrelevant to the discussion of where he was parked or where trayvon's aunt's mom's friend from college lived or where trayvon died. zimmerman's role in neighbourhood watch was just that: neighbourhood. not just his own house. zimmerman is not arguing castle law in his defense. zimmerman is not arguing stand your ground. zimmerman is simply arguing self-defense.

trayvon was a terrible person. he defaced school property. got caught with stolen jewelry. suspended previously for tardiness/truancy. the fault that he didn't have a criminal record is on miami-dade county for never arresting him in favour of making themselves look safer. they've fired people for corruption since then.

i'm willing to bet that the night he died, trayvon had intentions of further theft. wtg gz.

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you just have a hard-on for race-justice

**Aeolwind** · #95 07-03-2013, 03:46 PM

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That's because you're a fucking redneck.

You say that like it is a bad thing.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nF1GiZCcL1o

Alawen · #96 07-03-2013, 03:53 PM

I'm not really following this case, but I'm confused. I can carry a gun, follow you, shoot you, and then the burden of proof is on a prosecutor to establish that I wasn't defending myself? Is all of the self defense evidence coming from the killer's testimony? This seems like really bad precedent.

Barkingturtle · #97 07-03-2013, 03:54 PM

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and we have absolutely no evidence one way or the other. so it doesn't even matter what he did. what happened is unknowable. zimmerman's account is reasonable and there's nobody to contradict it

acquitted

Even as someone who has paid the attention little attention, I can see a case made that the older, supposedly trained Zimmerman should have known how to handle the situation without killing Martin. That's all it takes for 2nd degree murder. This is not CSI. You do not an eye-witness to contradict Zimmerman. You do not need evidence to contradict Zimmerman's account, even. You need to establish that Zimmerman knew he was doing something reckless which could lead to this ultimately tragic outcome, and did not take the steps he knew could prevent that outcome. If that's not how it's being prosecuted then they bad.

Or does the law say it's okay to murder if you first incite violence in your victim? I'm not from Florida I dunno.

Barkingturtle · #98 07-03-2013, 03:55 PM

Gotta forgive typos -- I'm day-drunk.

Samoht · #99 07-03-2013, 03:56 PM

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I can carry a gun, follow you, shoot you, and then the burden of proof is on a prosecutor to establish that I wasn't defending myself?

here's the facts: that's not quite what happened. there was a string of break-ins in the neighbourhood, so they stepped up their neighbourhood watch. zimmerman started packing. he spotted one of the thieves and really wanted to bust him.

here's where it's zimmerman's word: the thief ran away and hid, and then ambushed zimmerman when zimmerman turned to return to his car. the thief started beating him and threatened his life. zimmerman capped him.

live like a thug, die like a thug.

moklianne · #**100** 07-03-2013, 03:58 PM

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I'm not really following this case, but I'm confused. I can carry a gun, follow you, shoot you, and then the burden of proof is on a prosecutor to establish that I wasn't defending myself? Is all of the self defense evidence coming from the killer's testimony? This seems like really bad precedent.

Thus the issue with Stand your Ground.