Why is training allowed on p99 in veeshan's peak? (poll asking your opinion)

[Cecily]

I think the trains give a unique experience we normally wouldnt get on a blue server. The raiding scene is 100% played with a pvp mentality without the pvp, so it's nice to actually be able to kill your rivals in some capacity. Not a huge fan myself, but it's something other than the FTE races for everything else.

[Swifty]

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[sulpher01]

Tass your poll is pointless. The vast majority of people who come to these forums are the 'p99 raiding' type, and this policy benefits them... why are you thinking a poll is of any use?

Plus the staff seems to like where p99 raiding is at, variance + training = fun.

[Vianna]

Originally Posted by sulpher01 [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Tass your poll is pointless. The vast majority of people who come to these forums are the 'p99 raiding' type, and this policy benefits them... why are you thinking a poll is of any use?

Plus the staff seems to like where p99 raiding is at, variance + training = fun.

Training isn't fun for the majority of the people in guilds. It is fun for the few that do it.

[Tasslehofp99]

Sericx, we have already eatablished that training was never allowed on live and csr reps would punish those who committed intentional trains, regardless of where it occurred.

We also have already established that non csr zones did not mean training was allowed, it simply meant that you wouldn't receive any gm assistance recovering your corpses should you wipe.


All of this is kn the everquest rule book, which I linked on the original post. Stop shitting up my thread please, trying to open up a legit discussion here.

Rogean has already posted saying the non csr rule from live has nothing to do with training being allowed in vp on p99 so...what argument are you trying to make here?

[Tasslehofp99]

Originally Posted by Tasslehofp99 [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Sericx, we have already eatablished that training was never allowed on live and csr reps would punish those who committed intentional trains, regardless of where it occurred.

We also have already established that non csr zones did not mean training was allowed, it simply meant that you wouldn't receive any gm assistance recovering your corpses should you wipe.


All of this is kn the everquest rule book, which I linked on the original post. Stop shitting up my thread please, trying to open up a legit discussion here.

Rogean has already posted saying the non csr rule from live has nothing to do with training being allowed in vp on p99 so...what argument are you trying to make here?

Forgot to add something, and barring any dishonesty, cecily can vouch for me here.
FE was regularly outnumbered 2 to 1 while going for mobs in VP against TMO. I think 31 ppl was the most I saw while going through FE's vp logs. 24 people for our druushk kill (while 3 or 4 of them were thwarting tmo trains.)


Anyway, I'm not sure what speculation I'm making because a simple google search will reveal that training was always against the rules in everquest. But as was already stated by rogean, training being allowed in VP on p99 has no connection to any eqlive policies, including the fact that VP was a non csr zone.


Also, fear/hate are listed as non-csr zones as well sericx. Are you trying to say training was allowed there as well?

[xmonkx]

Originally Posted by Tasslehofp99 [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Sericx, we have already eatablished that training was never allowed on live and csr reps would punish those who committed intentional trains, regardless of where it occurred.

We also have already established that non csr zones did not mean training was allowed, it simply meant that you wouldn't receive any gm assistance recovering your corpses should you wipe.


All of this is kn the everquest rule book, which I linked on the original post. Stop shitting up my thread please, trying to open up a legit discussion here.

Rogean has already posted saying the non csr rule from live has nothing to do with training being allowed in vp on p99 so...what argument are you trying to make here?

As I said Tassle, I dont know what server you came from but on Mith Marr it was work hard play hard. Aka training was aloud in VP. I wont believe otherwise until you show me some of your "Established Proof". You guys did ok in VP for the short time you were there. But you guys got burnt out and cry like bitches. And Vianna please get some raiding exp under your belt before comming in a raiding/training thread acting like you know some shit.

edit: Vianna, maybe if you were actually raiding when they implemented variances and FTE shouts - you would know they did this to counter poopsocking and less petitioning of GM's to see who got FTE snipes.

[newsmurf]

This is pretty laughable...again everyone who isn't TMO complains they want to reap the benefits of loot without matching the effort put in by the leading competitor. As sirken said...why would the guys on top want to change anything without you guys applying pressure? Stop throwing your hands up in the air asking for someone to fix things for you and take it upon yourselves. Shinko by himself griefed the hell out of a TMO raid for 4 hours, he made them miserable, i had TMO buds tell me how awful that raid was lol. Put your foot on their necks and step down on it until they have to ask you to breath. Assemble a raid force of alts outside of VP and make their life's miserable every time they log on to kill a dragon, you guys have the numbers, you have the keys, when their raids start taking 4-8 hours or aren't even completed, guess what, they might be willing to sit at a table with you and talk some terms = ). Don't try and play their game, play your own ^^.

[Tasslehofp99]

Originally Posted by newsmurf [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

This is pretty laughable...again everyone who isn't TMO complains they want to reap the benefits of loot without matching the effort put in by the leading competitor. As sirken said...why would the guys on top want to change anything without you guys applying pressure? Stop throwing your hands up in the air asking for someone to fix things for you and take it upon yourselves. Shinko by himself griefed the hell out of a TMO raid for 4 hours, he made them miserable, i had TMO buds tell me how awful that raid was lol. Put your foot on their necks and step down on it until they have to ask you to breath. Assemble a raid force of alts outside of VP and make their life's miserable every time they log on to kill a dragon, you guys have the numbers, you have the keys, when their raids start taking 4-8 hours or aren't even completed, guess what, they might be willing to sit at a table with you and talk some terms = ). Don't try and play their game, play your own ^^.

You're missing the point, this server is meant to match classic everquest as closely as possibe right? So why is training allowed there when it wasn't on live eq?


My thing is no mob in kunark is hard, with 32k hps being the max. Training doesn't make any one guild better than another. In many cases during VP raids training is used as a tactic to buy your guild time, or as a defensive maneuver to prevent competing guilds from training you.


I say we just ban training altogether and let the real competition for VP begin.

[Tasslehofp99]

Originally Posted by eqmaze [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

atleast someone gets it


Tass has been the new Harrison now for months, its been proven time and time again he is just upset with TMO.

Yes Train in VP cuz GMs dont have all day to hold your hand
No Trains in Hate Fear or any of that, see the "Dont be a dick" policy
Yes Train in Sleepers see how bad they really wanna kill warders =p
No trains in ToV Armor and raids for all make the whole server a better place

This has nothing to do with TMO.
Why can't the "Don't be a dick" policy apply to VP? What makes it any different than fear/hate? Training is weak, its not competitive and being able to train doesn't make you a good EQ player.