Best one sentence summation of how I feel, ever.

[DrKvothe]

"bread milk cows"

I need coffee.

[Champion_Standing]

Everyone knows that ancient astronaut theory is the most plausible origin of the human species.

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[Illuzionz]

Originally Posted by DrKvothe [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

I already answered the physics things. Time is not linear, and before time there can be no causality, so requiring something something to have set off the big bang makes no sense.

Time is linear though so you're already wrong about that. How can the big bang have set itself off? How can a gun fire itself? It cannot.

Neither the bible nor DNA are evidence that God exists. If God wrote or inspired the writing of the bible, why is it so damn wrong or awful at nearly every page? Why is the bible's most important character a blatant ripoff of a preceding pagan god? Why does it blatantly encourage rape, slavery, prejudice, and genocide? You don't have to cherry-pick verses to make the bible sound flat out evil, but you have to ignore large sections to make it seem good.

The Bible isn't wrong about anything, you're simply misinformed or misinterpreting what you're reading. Jesus is not a rip off of any preceding pagan god, again, more misinformation/misinterpretation. The Bible does not in anyway shape or form encourage rape, slavery, prejudice or genocide. Again, you simply have poor reading comprehension if this is what you believe. Not sure what else to tell you but having read the Bible I can assure you that you are 100% wrong beyond all doubt.

And DNA isn't just some hieroglyphic text to be admired. It evolves! Evidence of the power of evolution is abundant: within written history we've bread milk cows capable of producing 10,000 L per year, all the various breeds of dogs are descendents of wolves, corn was domesticated from 3 inch long ears of maize, brewing yeast tolerate alcohol concentrations near 20%, fruits and vegetables are larger and more uniformly and brightly colored than they were centuries ago. These are the purposeful and deliberate products of human intervention on evolution. Over a couple billion years it is absolutely feasible that simple molecular self-regulators led to the first lifeforms.

Micro evolution occurs but macro evolution does not. The law of biogenesis clearly states that all life forms can only produce after their own kind and cell theory states that all cells must come from pre-existing cells. Well at one point no cells existed and cells can't come from anything other than a cell of it's own kind. This means the creation of the first cells and life forms cannot have occurred through natural means. It's scientifically impossible.

Selective breeding does not prove evolution. Sure there's lots of different dogs but guess what, they're still dogs. They came from dogs before them and will only ever produce more dogs after them. You will never see a dog produce anything other than another dog. Adding billions of years to an equation does not make impossible things occur. A billion years from now, 1+1 will still equal 2 just like in a billion years from now, dogs will be virtually identical to the dogs of today. There might be more variations/breeds but they'll still be dogs.

[pharmakos]

If you buy a Hebrew slave, he is to serve for only six years. Set him free in the seventh year, and he will owe you nothing for his freedom. If he was single when he became your slave and then married afterward, only he will go free in the seventh year. But if he was married before he became a slave, then his wife will be freed with him. If his master gave him a wife while he was a slave, and they had sons or daughters, then the man will be free in the seventh year, but his wife and children will still belong to his master. But the slave may plainly declare, 'I love my master, my wife, and my children. I would rather not go free.' If he does this, his master must present him before God. Then his master must take him to the door and publicly pierce his ear with an awl. After that, the slave will belong to his master forever. (Exodus 21:2-6 NLT)

[pharmakos]

When a man sells his daughter as a slave, she will not be freed at the end of six years as the men are. If she does not please the man who bought her, he may allow her to be bought back again. But he is not allowed to sell her to foreigners, since he is the one who broke the contract with her. And if the slave girl's owner arranges for her to marry his son, he may no longer treat her as a slave girl, but he must treat her as his daughter. If he himself marries her and then takes another wife, he may not reduce her food or clothing or fail to sleep with her as his wife. If he fails in any of these three ways, she may leave as a free woman without making any payment. (Exodus 21:7-11 NLT)

When a man strikes his male or female slave with a rod so hard that the slave dies under his hand, he shall be punished. If, however, the slave survives for a day or two, he is not to be punished, since the slave is his own property. (Exodus 21:20-21 NAB)

[Hasbinbad]

Originally Posted by pharmakos [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

what are the odds that consciousness would arise within a purely deterministic universe?

100%

[Hasbinbad]

this dude been watching too much william lane craig.

[Hasbinbad]

Did you not notice he gets trounced in every debate he participates in? As do all christian apologists?

[pharmakos]

there is some good shit in the bible though

Ecclesiastes 1
New International Version (NIV)
Everything Is Meaningless

1 The words of the Teacher,[a] son of David, king in Jerusalem:

2 “Meaningless! Meaningless!”
says the Teacher.
“Utterly meaningless!
Everything is meaningless.”
3 What do people gain from all their labors
at which they toil under the sun?
4 Generations come and generations go,
but the earth remains forever.
5 The sun rises and the sun sets,
and hurries back to where it rises.
6 The wind blows to the south
and turns to the north;
round and round it goes,
ever returning on its course.
7 All streams flow into the sea,
yet the sea is never full.
To the place the streams come from,
there they return again.
8 All things are wearisome,
more than one can say.
The eye never has enough of seeing,
nor the ear its fill of hearing.
9 What has been will be again,
what has been done will be done again;
there is nothing new under the sun.
10 Is there anything of which one can say,
“Look! This is something new”?
It was here already, long ago;
it was here before our time.
11 No one remembers the former generations,
and even those yet to come
will not be remembered
by those who follow them.
Wisdom Is Meaningless

12 I, the Teacher, was king over Israel in Jerusalem. 13 I applied my mind to study and to explore by wisdom all that is done under the heavens. What a heavy burden God has laid on mankind! 14 I have seen all the things that are done under the sun; all of them are meaningless, a chasing after the wind.

15 What is crooked cannot be straightened;
what is lacking cannot be counted.
16 I said to myself, “Look, I have increased in wisdom more than anyone who has ruled over Jerusalem before me; I have experienced much of wisdom and knowledge.” 17 Then I applied myself to the understanding of wisdom, and also of madness and folly, but I learned that this, too, is a chasing after the wind.

18 For with much wisdom comes much sorrow;
the more knowledge, the more grief.


and Corinthians is good if you like lovey-dovey shit


but yeah for the most part its some pretty awful, hateful, judgmental stuff

[Ahldagor]

want some good bible reading then read st. augustine. keep aquinas out of this cosmological debate though, that guy got sucked in too much by plato. also, consider time as subjective and rework the logic. richard sorabji has a nice read on time thinking http://www.amazon.com/Time-Creation-...3502972&sr=1-4