The Good, the aspiring Good and the Ugly

[Colgate]

Originally Posted by heartbrand [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Pretty sure az crew has made same comments to me as well. Luckily it's just an elf sim board u no? And luckily the guild as a whole makes decisions in a democratic fashion, not on a whim by me due to who has offended me or what not.

funny every time i've asked you why you'd rather team up with nihilum than azrael your response was always "cuz lite is a faggot"

[Terpuntine]

Originally Posted by quido [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

You get babysat to kill the stuff Nihilum doesn't care about. You're so tough with your 80-man force.

Wait til its a 120+ man force, my dick is gonna be so hard.

[Buhbuh]

Originally Posted by Colgate [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

funny every time i've asked you why you'd rather team up with nihilum than azrael your response was always "cuz lite is a faggot"

we democratically came to that decision

[Alawen]

Wow, thanks for the in-depth explanations, I appreciate it!

[Gaffin 7.0]

alawen is a saint

[quido]

did u guys know that Zoolander discovered Quillmane? he's a great man

[Andis]

Originally Posted by quido [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Azrael didn't screw Red Dawn - they chose pixels over the righteous path. Red Dawn accused Azrael of coming to kill them in Fear, but in fact they were coming to share it and Heartbrand seized the opportunity as an excuse to betray the alliance and get on Nihilum's tit.

I'd have a lot more respect for Red Dawn if they could admit it's just about the pixels and not any after-the-fact morality or whatever the hell. The blatant fact of the matter is Red Dawn is being used to keep the server monopolized. And that's the story of red99 - a bunch of scrubs with weak constitutions taking the short-sighted easy road.

This shit could have actually been fun if you guys weren't such fucking pussies.

/signed

[iiNGloriouS]

Originally Posted by Buhbuh [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Jeremy, you're arguing points selectively.

Azrael disbanded from RD. We already had the chance to do something you call moralistic or righteous. We already were fighting Nihilum.

Azrael players wouldn't move without the go ahead from Lite. I really could care less if you all quit.

If you can't play this game under any other leadership - especially when your guild lacks numbers and NEEDS alliances - you're worthless.

I really don't see how you guys imagined that situation differently. Lite and his boys literally said nothing to anybody about fracturing off from RD. You did it like snakes.

And now you want to still be friends after trying to take our members?

You act like Azrael reforming should have changed nothing between us. I really don't get that. You blindsided us and recruited from our player base WHILE trying to ally with us? And then what? Take mobs under a non DKP system, or a freshly wiped DKP system? Or just to take first dibs on mobs?

You act like Lite has 0 ulterior motive there, and yet we geared the fuck out of your players over the course of a few months. Whether or not that loot was earned, you guys left for Azrael to accumulate more/ because Lite has the ego the size of a planet and thinks he can lead better.

The alliance was already in place. Half (or more) of the members who left for Azrael didn't even want to split off in the first place.

The fact that Salem and Lite had enough influence on you cowards to ignore your spine and join Azrael with the alliance already built, and then come at us on the boards and call us spineless is fucking astonishing, bro.

Now that you know how we feel, I can lay it out for you pals. I'm glad you're all bored and on the verge of quitting. I hope you find the courage to do so. You've proven to us in technicolor that you're incapable of being under any other guild tag, and you've done it in the shittiest, most cowardly way possible.

I like a three guild server. I really do. But I also happen to dislike one of those guilds a great deal and don't want them to have any of the raid mobs because of the shitty things they're all responsible for (and should be responsible for).

You guys can continue logging in and run this thing to its logical conclusions. We have no interest in Azrael as of right now. A lot of you are good people, helpful players, good PvPers. But right now, it's just not going to happen. The opposite is, in fact, as you've witnessed.

I know it's difficult for you to understand why we aren't bothered when you say "18vs 82 omg faggots." Frankly, it's because none of us care. The initial cowardly things you did to Red Dawn usurp any hatred/ appeal to morality you can possibly throw at us. The fact that Brobb or Jibeknn don't see or care about the shitty way that Azrael bolted is hilarious. They honestly just lack imagination (or maybe just have too much of it). The reason we're doing this far simpler than you or they think. We don't like you.

But good luck.

How much of that bullshit was fed to you? Its pretty hilarious. Considering "Azrael sniping members" was maybe 3-4 Azrael that tagged RD when the alliance went down. I wore an Azrael tag from when it started, til the day it ended, as many others also did.

And please tell us what members that were RD beforehand, that we took from Azrael besides the handful that originally left; Stoopy, Brobb, Jibeknn and Brokab. Can you name any others? I didn't know 4 people could shatter a whole guild.

[klant]

Originally Posted by iiNGloriouS [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

I wore an Azrael tag from when it started, til the day it ended

I haven't played a while, but gonna go a head and call bull shit on that lol

[Buhbuh]

didn't say the attempts worked.


finer points aside, it really boils down to: no one wants to work with lite at the helm of anything. not out of selfishness or because they have bigger egos, but because he's terrible at it and makes terrible decisions consistently that crush morale and make people want to quit (hence running joke Azrael 16.0). this was made perfectly clear from the beginning. if it were anyone else, sure.

Chipp, you came into the mix with Azrael 15.0. you were one of the few who were taken in and accepted and welcomed. i understand why you're so defensive of your pals. but basically what's happening right now is that we're not going to give Lite another chance to fuck everything up again.

Lite's a nice guy, but if we're being forthright: Nizzar is a better tactician. Lite doesn't even spot the moves he himself makes. He might have more talent than Nizzar in the PvP game, but he's a pitbull. He's a Gongshow.

the problem with Azrael is that they're just an amalgamation of pitbulls with no tactician, or a guild that simply doesn't give voice to those people. Lite HAS to lead, and you follow.

i know this because i've been in Azrael twice. Colgate and Andis can even tell you that. for obvious reasons, they spare the boards those opinions. plenty of you know better than him. you just give all executive order to him.