Game Mechanics: Rogue hide

[R Flair]

Originally Posted by Tuffpuppy [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Too many random mobs saw through it. Was neither a rogue nor a monk but in most places, not all the monks were the ones dragging. Think you guys are too used to having that AA, or playing on other emu servers. This is classic.

Monk drag maybe plane of hate if the rogue sucks. Other than that a mid 50s to 60 rogue almost completely undectectable. You obviously misremember due to playing later expansions of EQ or EMUs too much.

[Scrubosaur]

Maybe part of the problem on p99 are mobs casting see invis on each other. In classic EQ, I am pretty sure that mobs didn't have access to a full spell book which would explain why less mobs saw through hide/sneak. If mobs that cast see invis did not have that in their spell book then that would limit the mobs that see through hide/sneak to those that are innately spawned with the ability.

[derpcake]

I did lots of CRs from shroom king using sneak / hide as a 56 rogue, in kunark.

Drag corpses to bridge below beetle area, use lower zone out, zone in again, drag corpses up and bag to ZI.

A very small percentage of mobs saw through sneak hide.

http://kyros.info/Rogue/Ragebringer.php

"The undead in the Plane of Hate will see through sneak/hide and normal invis, but other than that, you should be able to reach the book without too much trouble."

Makese sense that sebilis would be pretty safe to navigate, slightly less dangerous then PoH, which was low risk by itself.

Yay solo book fetching!

[derpcake]

This was while with illuminati sancti on xegony, before velious was around. I quit not too long after velious, so its not an AA issue or so.

Don't have a rogue, nor ambitions to make one, just bothers me a lot that this is left as is. Not classic.

[Rhambuk]

Rogue Strike!
Rogue Strike!
Rogue Strike!

[Ele]

So many threads and back-and-forth from so many people what exactly is the point of contention anymore?

Is it too many mobs casting "see invis" on themselves and their nearby friends?

Is it that the buff "see invis" can see through rogue sneak/hide?

Is it that only certain mobs (see ex. Safehouse list) should spawn seeing through rogue sneak/hide and nothing else even with "see invis" buff?

[Shiftin]

There's universal agreement that the run speed is still jacked up, and there are various ways that "too many things seeing hide" can be addressed.

[Dullah]

Originally Posted by Ele [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

So many threads and back-and-forth from so many people what exactly is the point of contention anymore?

Fixing a class that doesn't work properly, especially on a pvp server where rogues could use mobs to their advantage being the only ones able to hide behind them without risk of aggro.

Originally Posted by Ele [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Is it too many mobs casting "see invis" on themselves and their nearby friends?

No, that doesn't happen on p99. Its just mobs flagged see invis that also see hide which should be different.

Originally Posted by Ele [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Is it that the buff "see invis" can see through rogue sneak/hide?

No, casted see invis isn't the issue on p99, they see from the second they spawn.

Originally Posted by Ele [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Is it that only certain mobs (see ex. Safehouse list) should spawn seeing through rogue sneak/hide and nothing else even with "see invis" buff?

Very few mobs should be able to see 60 rogues, and mobs shouldn't even cast see invis. Its a misconception that mobs that see invis somehow had it cast on them. Its just a flag like anything else.

[Scrubosaur]

We have shown the proof. Can we get rogues classic?!

[Scrubosaur]

Fixed for the next patch?