ninja looting or no?

[Erati]

Originally Posted by deadlycupcakez [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

no i understand that was deemed by the staff as against server rules. but it shouldnt be... again as i repeat myself.

why is it against server rules to loot something after giving a fair amount of time to those with kill credit, but it is fine for a group to take the mob with the loot from someone who is camping it, without giving them fair amount of time to rally forces. first come first serve? then that is your answer for taking the FFA loot as well.

you are wrong because you cannot camp Epic mobs like VT.

she has NO placeholders, and she has NO set spawn time.

Its random, and thusly cannot be 'claimed'.

Much like the randomness of an outdoor spawn, you have to get FTE to state your claim on Verina Tomb.

She is not a camp.


Had Saraya been a cleric clearing Lord Gimblox's PHs for hours and hours then suddenly BDA scumbags roll in when Gimblox pops and jack the spawn, then let the corpse sit there while they run a cleric to come loot the ring during which is Saraya jacks the ring when corpse opens....then your crazy out of left field claims might have some sort of basis in Norrathian reality.

However, that was not the case and read what I wrote.

[NegaStoat]

Edited - the link for what I was looking for was provided. I was entirely wrong. I should have researched it myself. yes, I feel that burning shame.

[lecompte]

Originally Posted by NegaStoat [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

I'd like to see an official staff member response on the issue of a mob opening up at the 4:59 timer on a solo mob, personally. The previous thread with the enchanter ninja looting was an obvious case.

But let's go back to the case of camping an AC ring. The player kills it, logs off, and logs on an alt to pick it up. The player doing this is solo - there is no group, there is no group member to 'lock' the mob's loot window to make the exchange.

Another player sees what's up and yanks the ring due to poor load timing of the first player. Okay, so, answer me this. On an old Retail server like Fenin Ro or Brell Serilis, what wold happen? What would a CSR exactly do to handle this situation if the first player reported it?

I will tell you what they'd do. They would laugh their ass off at the first player's misfortune and quote that when the mob opened up with NO ONE AROUND, it was FFA.

If you can truthfully state that you had a similar situation of a dead mob + no one around being reported against someone looting, and their being successful, I'd love to see it in print.

If the problem comes up, petition it then. Don't try and get the official layout on rules now so people can do what can only be considered a douche bag move. Different CSR will react different based on the slightest difference in situation.


Was NO ONE around? Was there no one around for a min while the corpse was still locked but then someone got on? How do know that person isn't the person who killed it and just went LD for a minute? How about lets not play this game on how much I can massage the rules until I find out the fine line where I can be an asshole.

[NegaStoat]

Edited - I was stupid. the below link is what I should have read.

http://www.project1999.com/forums/sh...619#post489619

[Sylexis]

Originally Posted by Metallikus [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Excellent post.

Nice info, which frankly should be stuck on the wiki somewhere and not buried mid thread in the middle of an old post.

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[Yonkec]

Originally Posted by Metallikus [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

VT is killed every week.
VT drops a book for enchanter epic.

Severilous is killed every week.
Severilous drops green scales for the warrior epic.

When Severilous spawns, do you think any guild asks the random warrior in zone if he was camping it before they call in their raid force?

The answer is no. This server is the way it is. It will not change. Join a guild that fights for FTE for mobs for their members or don't.

Rules for looting is completely separate. If you kill the mob (with proper FTE) you own the loot rights, end of discussion. Only a petition to a GM can change that fact.

http://www.project1999.com/forums/sh...619#post489619

in that link, Rogaen specifically states the difference between raiding and ninja looting having nothing to do with each other. Raid disputes is a raid policy discussion. Ninja looting is a server rule and if broken is punishable for that individual.

http://www.project1999.com/forums/sh...0&postcount=19

Xasten's confirmation of the rulings with no further disputes.

Anyways, deadlycupcakes keeps trying to bring up things like morals, even-steven, or two wrongs type arguments. Doesn't matter on this server. There are rules. If caught abusing said rules there are consequences.

It doesn't matter that BDA assembled a force and engaged first in legit fashion. The server rules support this. What matters is that the ninja looter did violate a server rule, and that rule violation was caught and there were repurcussions.

The exact same thing would happen to anyone looting anything that they did not kill. Lowered expectations for smaller scenarios would come into question for punishments (like I doubt a gm is gonna ban a newb for lootin a rusty spear off a decaying skeleton corpse when the corpse opens, but action will be taken on lvl 60 mob corpses).

/thread

But most of us don't possess the necessary neural connections to comprehend that, so, please continue.

As Cecily more eloquently posted, you are absolutely free to disagree, but you are not allowed to act surprised when you get banned.

[Ahldagor]

Originally Posted by Metallikus [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

VT is killed every week.
VT drops a book for enchanter epic.

Severilous is killed every week.
Severilous drops green scales for the warrior epic.

When Severilous spawns, do you think any guild asks the random warrior in zone if he was camping it before they call in their raid force?

The answer is no. This server is the way it is. It will not change. Join a guild that fights for FTE for mobs for their members or don't.

Rules for looting is completely separate. If you kill the mob (with proper FTE) you own the loot rights, end of discussion. Only a petition to a GM can change that fact.

http://www.project1999.com/forums/sh...619#post489619

in that link, Rogaen specifically states the difference between raiding and ninja looting having nothing to do with each other. Raid disputes is a raid policy discussion. Ninja looting is a server rule and if broken is punishable for that individual.

http://www.project1999.com/forums/sh...0&postcount=19

Xasten's confirmation of the rulings with no further disputes.

Anyways, deadlycupcakes keeps trying to bring up things like morals, even-steven, or two wrongs type arguments. Doesn't matter on this server. There are rules. If caught abusing said rules there are consequences.

It doesn't matter that BDA assembled a force and engaged first in legit fashion. The server rules support this. What matters is that the ninja looter did violate a server rule, and that rule violation was caught and there were repurcussions.

The exact same thing would happen to anyone looting anything that they did not kill. Lowered expectations for smaller scenarios would come into question for punishments (like I doubt a gm is gonna ban a newb for lootin a rusty spear off a decaying skeleton corpse when the corpse opens, but action will be taken on lvl 60 mob corpses).

good to know that a small handful of people that play actually read the rules and regulations for the project

[Glenzig]

I have a feeling there will be more cases of ninja looting in the near future. It seems some people don't want to accept the rules.

[Laugher]

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pretty good will farell gif lol

[Sidelle]

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