Best Shaman Race?

[serjordanmormont]

Thanks for all the input people. Decided to stick with my Iksar!

[Malrubius]

Frontal Stun Immunity is a sham. I play an Ogre SK and get spells interrupted all the time. From the front. I regret not having rolled a Troll SK instead - free innate fungi ftw.

Iksar'd be good too, but Trolls are funnier imo.

[Nikkanu]

Originally Posted by Malrubius [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Frontal Stun Immunity is a sham. I play an Ogre SK. Get interrupted all the time. From the front. I regret not having rolled a Troll SK instead - free innate fungi ftw.

Iksar'd be good too, but Trolls are funnier imo.

You not knowing how something works doesn't make it a "sham". You can still get bashed and interrupted or pushed and interrupted but that is not the same thing as being stunned. With that said Troll/Iksar regen is nice but once you get 60 and torpor it's a pretty moot point.

[Darkatar]

Originally Posted by Darkatar [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Here's a few samples:

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[Tue Dec 30 17:44:12 2014] You begin casting Torpor.
[Tue Dec 30 17:44:12 2014] You haven't recovered yet...
[Tue Dec 30 17:44:14 2014] An ire ghast bashes YOU for 32 points of damage.
[Tue Dec 30 17:44:14 2014] An ire ghast hits YOU for 54 points of damage.
[Tue Dec 30 17:44:16 2014] You resist the Disease Cloud spell!
[Tue Dec 30 17:44:18 2014] You regain your concentration and continue your casting.
[Tue Dec 30 17:44:18 2014] You fall into a state of torpor.
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[Tue Dec 30 17:58:01 2014] You begin casting Torpor.
[Tue Dec 30 17:58:05 2014] A scorn banshee hits YOU for 100 points of damage.
[Tue Dec 30 17:58:06 2014] A scorn banshee bashes YOU for 39 points of damage.
[Tue Dec 30 17:58:07 2014] You regain your concentration and continue your casting.
[Tue Dec 30 17:58:07 2014] You fall into a state of torpor.
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[Tue Dec 30 18:10:38 2014] You begin casting Torpor.
[Tue Dec 30 18:10:41 2014] You have healed Ginfizzie for 300 points of damage.
[Tue Dec 30 18:10:41 2014] Cleric of Innoruuk bashes YOU for 46 points of damage.
[Tue Dec 30 18:10:44 2014] You regain your concentration and continue your casting.
[Tue Dec 30 18:10:44 2014] You fall into a state of torpor.
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[Tue Dec 30 19:09:03 2014] You begin casting Malo.
[Tue Dec 30 19:09:03 2014] King Tranix pet hits YOU for 32 points of damage.
[Tue Dec 30 19:09:04 2014] King Tranix pet bashes YOU for 14 points of damage.
[Tue Dec 30 19:09:04 2014] You feel your lifeforce drain away. You have taken 27 points of damage.
[Tue Dec 30 19:09:04 2014] King Tranix hits YOU for 59 points of damage.
[Tue Dec 30 19:09:05 2014] King Tranix bashes YOU for 46 points of damage.
[Tue Dec 30 19:09:06 2014] King Tranix hits YOU for 124 points of damage.
[Tue Dec 30 19:09:06 2014] King Tranix hits YOU for 41 points of damage.
[Tue Dec 30 19:09:06 2014] King Tranix pet tries to hit YOU, but YOU dodge!
[Tue Dec 30 19:09:08 2014] Urrsa has healed you for 300 points of damage.
[Tue Dec 30 19:09:08 2014] You regain your concentration and continue your casting.
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[Tue Dec 30 19:11:42 2014] You begin casting Paralyzing Earth.
[Tue Dec 30 19:11:44 2014] Fire giant warrior bashes YOU for 36 points of damage.
[Tue Dec 30 19:11:44 2014] Your Paralyzing Earth spell has worn off.
[Tue Dec 30 19:11:44 2014] Fire giant warrior hits YOU for 74 points of damage.
[Tue Dec 30 19:11:44 2014] Fire giant warrior kicks YOU for 31 points of damage.
[Tue Dec 30 19:11:44 2014] Fire giant warrior hits YOU for 49 points of damage.
[Tue Dec 30 19:11:45 2014] You regain your concentration and continue your casting.
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[Sat Jan 31 00:13:41 2015] You begin casting Torpor.
[Sat Jan 31 00:13:41 2015] An ire ghast hits YOU for 100 points of damage.
[Sat Jan 31 00:13:41 2015] An ire ghast bashes YOU for 32 points of damage.
[Sat Jan 31 00:13:42 2015] Cleric of Innoruuk hits YOU for 64 points of damage.
[Sat Jan 31 00:13:44 2015] A spite golem pet bites YOU for 35 points of damage.
[Sat Jan 31 00:13:44 2015] An ire ghast hits YOU for 128 points of damage.
[Sat Jan 31 00:13:44 2015] Cleric of Innoruuk hits YOU for 103 points of damage.
[Sat Jan 31 00:13:44 2015] Cleric of Innoruuk hits YOU for 72 points of damage.
[Sat Jan 31 00:13:44 2015] Cleric of Innoruuk bashes YOU for 54 points of damage.
[Sat Jan 31 00:13:45 2015] An ire ghast hits YOU for 32 points of damage.
[Sat Jan 31 00:13:45 2015] A loathling lich slices YOU for 132 points of damage.
[Sat Jan 31 00:13:45 2015] You resist the Gravity Flux spell!
[Sat Jan 31 00:13:45 2015] A spite golem pet bites YOU for 29 points of damage.
[Sat Jan 31 00:13:47 2015] An ire ghast hits YOU for 111 points of damage.
[Sat Jan 31 00:13:47 2015] You regain your concentration and continue your casting.
[Sat Jan 31 00:13:47 2015] You fall into a state of torpor.
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[Sat Feb 28 13:16:10 2015] You begin casting Torpor.
[Sat Feb 28 13:16:11 2015] Brigadier G`tav slashes YOU for 192 points of damage.
[Sat Feb 28 13:16:11 2015] Brigadier G`tav slashes YOU for 128 points of damage.
[Sat Feb 28 13:16:12 2015] Brigadier G`tav kicks YOU for 49 points of damage.
[Sat Feb 28 13:16:12 2015] Brigadier G`tav slashes YOU for 200 points of damage.
[Sat Feb 28 13:16:12 2015] Brigadier G`tav slashes YOU for 192 points of damage.
[Sat Feb 28 13:16:12 2015] Brigadier G`tav slashes YOU for 192 points of damage.
[Sat Feb 28 13:16:14 2015] Brigadier G`tav slashes YOU for 144 points of damage.
[Sat Feb 28 13:16:14 2015] Brigadier G`tav slashes YOU for 176 points of damage.
[Sat Feb 28 13:16:16 2015] Brigadier G`tav slashes YOU for 160 points of damage.
[Sat Feb 28 13:16:16 2015] Brigadier G`tav slashes YOU for 192 points of damage.
[Sat Feb 28 13:16:17 2015] You regain your concentration and continue your casting.
[Sat Feb 28 13:16:17 2015] You fall into a state of torpor.
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[Wed Mar 04 16:51:08 2015] You begin casting Enstill.
[Wed Mar 04 16:51:08 2015] You haven't recovered yet...
[Wed Mar 04 16:51:08 2015] You can't use that command right now...
[Wed Mar 04 16:51:09 2015] A shin ghoul knight bashes YOU for 7 points of damage.
[Wed Mar 04 16:51:09 2015] Your legs feel weak.
[Wed Mar 04 16:51:09 2015] A shin ghoul knight tries to hit YOU, but YOU dodge!
[Wed Mar 04 16:51:09 2015] A greater ice bones bashes YOU for 18 points of damage.
[Wed Mar 04 16:51:09 2015] A greater ice bones bashes YOU for 15 points of damage.
[Wed Mar 04 16:51:10 2015] You regain your concentration and continue your casting.
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It's worth noting any of these regular melee attacks could have also been stuns (kicks too)

[loramin]

Normally when I see:

[Sat Feb 28 13:16:17 2015] You regain your concentration and continue your casting.

it's because I made my channeling check, not because of FSI (I'm a Barbarian, so I have no FSI).

I've never played an Ogre though: does FSI give the same message?

[Darkatar]

Originally Posted by loramin [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Normally when I see:

it's because I made my channeling check, not because of FSI (I'm a Barbarian, so I have no FSI).

I've never played an Ogre though: does FSI give the same message?

The key difference is I can get that message after being bashed successfully, whereas others immediately drop their cast

[Daldaen]

The key difference is in none of those situations would a non-ogre have died.

They would've just recast or learned to cast just after melee rounds; A skill many ogres probably don't attain because they figure "herpderpfrontalstunimmunitymorefacerolling". Which is likely to lead to them getting push interrupted due to their being oblivious to melee rounds hitting them.

Whereas someone who doesn't have it will have become aware of how to avoid both push and stun interrupts by casting in between attacks.

In summary, ogres lead to laziness and in the long run likely get interrupted the same amount.

[Darkatar]

Originally Posted by Daldaen [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

The key difference is in none of those situations would a non-ogre have died.

They would've just recast or learned to cast just after melee rounds

Whereas someone who doesn't have it will have become aware of how to avoid both push and stun interrupts by casting in between attacks.

In summary, ogres lead to laziness and in the long run likely get interrupted the same amount.

Right, because using a 9sec epic cast without taking a melee hit while tanking a summoning mob is completely feasible.

Also, there's no need to have stun immunity while being beat on by inc's because all mobs come preslowed

/eyeroll

Do you even shaman, bro?

[Omnifiend]

This thread again. Just go with the race you prefer, after all you are the one who has to stare at your character non stop. If min/max matters to you so much regen is there for the leveling, FSI is there for the elite soloing at 60 once you have JBB, Torpor, Epic. IE, about a year or so from now.

[Malrubius]

Originally Posted by Darkatar [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

The key difference is I can get that message after being bashed successfully, whereas others immediately drop their cast

I think the key word above is *can*.

My experience with Ogres is that they usually get interrupted on a successful bash. Other races always get interrupted on a successful bash.

It all comes down to personal preference I suppose - I'd rather have the extra regen during the (usual) times of not being in Torpor.

I'll grant that my use of the word "sham" was a bit strong. FSI can be nice in some situations, but not the be-all-and-end-all that some make it out to be - you still get interrupted, just not quite as often as others.