"Fair and legitimate chance at a target" (cont)

[Daldaen]

Originally Posted by khanable [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

My post was sarcasm

Nerds

Does not compute.

[kotton05]

Sirken didn't tell the casual 90% to leave. But he said if you're unhappy there are other places. I mean that's such a neutral viewpoint stop trying to twist what he said nerds.

[Eponymous Anonymous]

Originally Posted by deezy [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

I'm pretty sure the rustle environment is to get the most amount of pixels for the least amount of effort.

They put in plenty of effort for those pixels, just not in game.

[arsenalpow]

Originally Posted by Legday [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Spoken like someone who isn't around anymore, at all.

I know, probably pretty close to exactly, how many numbers all of those guilds that you mentioned pull at different times of the day, etc.

The reason for this is that those guilds are getting involved more and more so we actually are looking out for them to be competing on any given spawn. Something I was also aware of when you all were around, but the fact that you think I/we didn't doesn't tell me anything I didn't already know about you.

You're making my point for me. You're just now seeing Fires/Venerate at the starting line so now you consider them a raiding entity, whereas a very large guild like kittens doesn't count in your eyes because you don't see them in your bubble. There's a massive amount of smaller guilds that would love to raid but the cost of doing business is too high on p99 so they're relegated to a rogue epic here and there, or maybe some scraps in Hate or Fear. That's not on your radar so they aren't factored into your count. I don't think you're maliciously dismissing them, you just have your hardcore raid blinders on.

[Breaken]

You guys (Chest and Legday) are arguing two different topics.

Chest is right, A/A makes up maybe 10% of the raid scene. Legday is also right, A/A makes up maybe 40%+ of the ToV/Kael/Skyshrine/Thurgadin/etc. raid scene. So.. Sure, there are droves of guilds and players raiding on this server. They raid Plane of Fear clears, Plane of Hate crawls, maybe Chardok Royals, maybe Halls of Testing clears.. But they don't show up for the end game raiding. Of course they will say it is due to the raid scene, and I am sure that is true for them. But either way, if you don't show up to try, how can you argue?

[Raev]

Originally Posted by raato [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Also 2 questions about TAKP. 1.) Does prenerf CoS still drop? and 2.) How about holgresh elder beads?

TAKP is not a progression server. So no manastones, no elder beads, no circlets, etc. As far as I know this is because the original Al'Kabor booted up straight into Planes of Power, so one one had them on AK live.

[Legday]

Originally Posted by Breaken [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

You guys (Chest and Legday) are arguing two different topics.

Chest is right, A/A makes up maybe 10% of the raid scene. Legday is also right, A/A makes up maybe 40%+ of the ToV/Kael/Skyshrine/Thurgadin/etc. raid scene. So.. Sure, there are droves of guilds and players raiding on this server. They raid Plane of Fear clears, Plane of Hate crawls, maybe Chardok Royals, maybe Halls of Testing clears.. But they don't show up for the end game raiding. Of course they will say it is due to the raid scene, and I am sure that is true for them. But either way, if you don't show up to try, how can you argue?

Still, 10% is criminally low and the number is being used to make a point (falsely).

A/A each have over 100 active raiders. Being conservative we can call that 200 active raiders (it is much higher). 200 is 10% of 2,000. Can you honestly tell me that there are 1,800 non-A/A active raiders on this server?

Again, I don't mean to nitpick the number but calling it 90/10 is clouding the issue.

[Daldaen]

Originally Posted by Raev [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

TAKP is not a progression server. So no manastones, no elder beads, no circlets, etc. As far as I know this is because the original Al'Kabor booted up straight into Planes of Power, so one one had them on AK live.

In my guild on AK one shadowknight had a prenerf CoS he won in a GM event. It was OP as hell though and the GMs on TAK decided to never give out those items. There was some debate on it during alpha but fortunately saner heads prevailed.

None of those OP items that got removed on Live will exist on TAK. EQ as it was meant to be played!

[arsenalpow]

Originally Posted by Breaken [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

You guys (Chest and Legday) are arguing two different topics.

Chest is right, A/A makes up maybe 10% of the raid scene. Legday is also right, A/A makes up maybe 40%+ of the ToV/Kael/Skyshrine/Thurgadin/etc. raid scene. So.. Sure, there are droves of guilds and players raiding on this server. They raid Plane of Fear clears, Plane of Hate crawls, maybe Chardok Royals, maybe Halls of Testing clears.. But they don't show up for the end game raiding. Of course they will say it is due to the raid scene, and I am sure that is true for them. But either way, if you don't show up to try, how can you argue?

They don't show up because of the risk vs reward. The reward is shiny pixels. The risk is being exposed to any or all of the 10 p99 raid scene plagues.

[Raev]

Originally Posted by Legday [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

So let's not all shit our pants over a 90/10 ratio like it's so lopsided.

Well, if you are counting the players who quit after realizing the raid scene was bat shit crazy, it's probably 99:1. And let's not forget that only about 50 people actually race. Everyone else just zergs, and as Dannyl pointed out with 1 hour it's pretty boring if you aren't racing (which is also boring).