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02-24-2011, 02:06 AM
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When a person is camping a spawn alone and dies, it is proof that they don't deserve tha spawn. Unless they were trained, take that shit. No mercy for farmers.
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02-24-2011, 02:33 AM
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I was there that day, and what happened sucks- but I've learned over the years you can't change the way people act... The best you can do is try to watch out for these kinds of people. Regardless of who was right and who was wrong, I got my shit-list and i'm checking it twice [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]
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02-24-2011, 02:39 AM
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I said that was my last post barring replies to attacks or questions, and I meant it, so I'll hit the broad strokes and be as brief as I can.
1. I clarified that I played before to distinguish between the fact that I'm new to the server, not the game, since some of the earlier responses seemed ambiguous on the point. 2. I have an opinion. Sorry if this comes as a surprise. Sometimes I talk about it on the internet and elsewhere. My condolences for you if you don't have an opinion or don't talk about it. You might be sad to discover that I have opinions on other things too, and as it turns out, at least one person agrees with my opinion on this issue. Go figure. 3. Speaking passionately about ethics /= mental instability. I'm not entertained by ad hominems. Also, if you're looking to troll or insult, I'd try for something other than "white knight." I'm sorry, but I just can't bring myself to find it pejorative. 4. Being nice to people is not a huge revolution in thought, even on the internet. A lot of these arguments can be distilled to. "It is okay to be cruel to someone if the rule/law supports it," or perhaps implicitly (and bleakly), "It is okay to be cruel to someone if there are no real world consequences for it." If the former is your view of the world, that's fine (although I would defy you to articulate a rational basis for it, and I think it's patently immoral--yes, my opinion strikes again), and if you hold to the latter, I would suggest that I think it's time for gamers as a subculture to arrive at the place where everyone understands that there is no acceptable justification for having a separate standard for treating people in a game as compared to the real world. Maybe that makes me idealistic, but I'm willing to be idealistic. 5. I'm sorry if this comes as a disappointment--after all, I realize that apparently I come across a little high-handed--but just like everyone's parents, teachers, religious or political authority figures, gurus, pundits, or talking heads, I am not able to articulate for you a uniform, absolute standard for ethics that you can apply in every situation. You have to work that out for yourself. There are a million hypotheticals anyone could posit that are factually similar to the incident I witnessed where either side could be in the wrong for a host of different reasons. There is no hard and fast rule when it comes to human decency. There is a rule for camping on this server, but I don't have to have been here for years to know that one can observe the letter of it while utterly subverting the spirit of it, in more ways than one. EDIT (preemptively): I would also remind you that the rules for server interaction serve more purposes than one, some of which are articulated, and some of which aren't. One of them, however, is to create a line of staff fiat that prevents these disputes from being litigated in whatever dispute-resolution process the server might waste its time implementing, in an effort to cut down on the need for superfluous manpower. | ||
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02-24-2011, 03:30 AM
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So you are familiar with the opinion concept. Everyone has one, whether they express it or not. What I wonder is why do you continue to express it as if yours was the only one that matters? There have been pros and cons posted here as to why you were upset about this particular event. You fall on one side, others fall on the other. Why get upset that many disagree with you?
And, sorry, but of course someone will agree with your opinion. Hitler had an opinion that Aryans were the superior race. Many people agreed with him. Doesn't make him right. Or as another example, I think LeBron James is a dick. Many people disagree with me. Doesn't make me right or wrong. Tis the nature of opinions. As for being idealistic. You have every right to be idealistic and I encourage it. But just be aware that you will ALWAYS run into things that fall well short of your ideal. Tis the nature of the world unfortunately. Sorry to disappoint you. But be prepared for this, and don't freak out when we (as fallen creatures) cannot live up to your ideal. We're human, and as you mentioned before, we are evil by nature. So why does it surprise you when we act according to our nature? As for being nice, you simply cannot be nice all the time to everyone. A good example is my first few jobs that I held in RL. I was always the first one to be called in if someone called in sick or just didn't show up simply because everyone knew I was nice enough to come in. So I spent WAY more time at work than I should have, and eventually figured out that I was being used. Or as another example, a couple of ex-girlfriends who used my generosity to string me along and buy shit for them. It is simply my nature to be nice, but they abused that. The same logic applies here. If I am nice 100% of the time, I will be used. I have been scammed a few times here because I was too trusting of random people. There are advantages to being nice but there are also some disadvantages as well that you ignore. And finally, YES, we all have to figure out for ourselves what is right and wrong. Not everything is spelled out. So why is your version of what is right and wrong the only one that matters? How are you somehow the perfect moral being while the rest of us scum down below are not? Just some thoughts, hope you can find the time to address them. | ||
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02-24-2011, 03:36 AM
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Hey, maybe a lot of people think that since the rules allow it then it's an okay and not dick thing to do. That's their right, but there's also a lot of us who think it's a complete asshole thing to do, and will make sure to not have anything to do with people who are like that. | |||
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02-24-2011, 03:37 AM
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02-24-2011, 12:46 PM
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02-25-2011, 12:49 AM
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a. ) listen and consider differing viewpoints for the sake of discussion. or b. ) present the situation as a hypothetical to get unbiased answers. Nah, you just tossed VD's name into the mud, and sit there and brick wall any point of view that isn't your own. It's not constructive, and if you'd spent 5 minutes on the board you'd know that no one really cares, these disputes happen all the time, and the server rules are clear on the matter. This is a 100% troll thread and it's pretty blatently obvious.
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02-24-2011, 04:41 AM
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Intents and purposes. /wink
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