Why are most of the artists in the USA democrats?

[Lhancelot]

Originally Posted by loramin [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

This is the sort of thing we can only combat by using one of the other key points in my treatise, the one about changing how African-Americans are represented in TV and other pop culture so that cops (who are only human and watch the same TV as the rest of us) won't see/treat minorities differently.

This is very naive if you think this will alter prejudiced white peoples views of blacks.

Prejudiced whites that watch black celebrities on TV or black athletes in sports don't recognize these celebrities as typical black people, these celebrities are "different."

The only way you change the hearts of prejudiced people to recognize other groups of people they hate as actual people is to have them spend time around them, to get to know them, so they can learn to understand them as actual human beings that share the same problems, loves, etc. in life.

The problem is, this is very hard to accomplish. Point is, no amount of watching LeBron James on TV is going to humanize black people to prejudiced whites.

[loramin]

Originally Posted by Lhancelot [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

The only way you change the hearts of prejudiced people to recognize other groups of people they hate as actual people is to have them spend time around them, to get to know them, so they can learn to understand them as actual human beings that share the same problems, loves, etc. in life.

The problem is, this is very hard to accomplish. Point is, no amount of watching LeBron James on TV is going to humanize black people to prejudiced whites.

So there's layers right? There's stuff "at the front", like a cop who calls someone a ******. I think we can agree watching American History X probably won't make that guy stop using that word (although who knows, it could). But what I'm talking about is more the institutional racism, which interestingly enough even affects the discriminated (yes, even black police officers treat blacks worse than whites). To solve institutional problems you have to change the institution, or at least the part that sets our thoughts and beliefs ... ie. the media.

Our brains have visual pattern recognition built-in at a deep level. This was handy when quickly deciding whether to run towards or away from some animal out on the savannah ("I've seen this lion pattern before, and I don't want to run towards it ..."), but it's less useful in judging the character of your co-worker based on their skin color. Seeing Le Bron James play basketball won't cure racism sure, but seeing black men (in-person or in the media) doing lots of things other than play sports and commit crimes will cure your brain of the pattern "black person = athlete or criminal".

[AzzarTheGod]

because the party system is divided by "social issues".

the artists have to act accordingly to appeal to the most human beings possible. you do that by not associating with the "exclusive party" the repubs. they will never be openly repub/conservative until religion (religion always means Catholics/Puritans) leaves the republican party.


music and art are secular pursuits. repubs are not a secular party.


720 and /thread

[mickmoranis]

sec I gotta go for a bit, ill be back later tonight bb

[maskedmelon]

In an effort to remain engaged, I've attempted to construct comparatively demented arguments, Lor. Please let me know if i need to add more unrelated facts for it to make sense to you.

In all honesty though, I can't believe you are genuinely too dumb to understand the points that I make. mick's parodies are too well constructed for me to believe that, so I am left believing your posts are genuine and you are maliciously ignoring my point because there is zero humor in your posts.

In case I wandered too much or was too indirect above:

You are dishonest or you are an idiot. There is also the offchance that you are simply blinded by arrogance, but I don't think so.

I feel liek this role is intent on annoying me. if that was the goal, I congratulate you, but still don't understand why you would want to do something liek that. I have learned from the behavior though. anyway, see below.

Originally Posted by loramin [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Ok, let's start with the millions thing: measuring membership in social movements is hard. It's not like everyone who believes in and supports BLM goes to a webpage and registers. But all you need is basic math to see it has to be in the millions.

There are 326+ million people in America. For "millions" to be accurate, only 2 million, or 0.6% of the population would have to support BLM. Do you really think less than 0.6% of America supports BLM?

sorry, but about 1/4th of the US is children and while members of BLM may act as such, they are not. this means that your 2million number is inflated by around 1/3. However, if we are to assume that BLM is as diverse as the United States, that number would mean that 1 of every 25 blacks would be members of BLM (assuming no oppressors or similarly subjugated people's are members).

However, the ACTUAL number of BLM members is 42,481.

Second, you're 100% wrong about it starting with Mike Brown; hell it didn't even start with Rodney King. African-Americans in our society have been dealing with police brutality and harassment since the moment they were freed, and they've been fighting it for just as long. BLM is just a continuation of MLK's and Malcom X's fight, which in turn continued the fight that came before.

No, BLM has nothing to do with MLK.

As for:



You sort of have a point: African-Americans (as a logical function of their history) have higher crime rates. And certainly, if cops are arresting criminals, and African-Americans make up more of the criminals, they'll get arrested more.

This happens a lot unfortunately and is something we need to work on as a nation.

But none of that has anything to do with the stuff BLM is fighting, stuff like police brutality and false arrests/convictions. No one, whatever their race, deserves to live in fear of the police,

That's how people end up getting shot.

to be beaten by police, or to be falsely arrested and/or convicted.

BLM is about leveraging the strong arm of government in the theft and dissolution of private property.

[loramin]

Originally Posted by maskedmelon [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

In all honesty though, I can't believe you are genuinely too dumb to understand the points that I make...You are dishonest or you are an idiot. There is also the offchance that you are simply blinded by arrogance, but I don't think so.

Wow, with an opener like that I'll totally read and respond constructively to your post ...






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[maskedmelon]

Originally Posted by loramin [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Wow, with an opener like that I'll totally read and respond constructively to your post ...






* crickets *

I wouldn't expect you to. You are a small malevolent entity, insecure
and driven to find groups whom you can subordinate to elevate your own sense of self worth while wallowing in hypocrisy, purporting to champion diversity, but rejecting it in full.

wake up

[skarlorn]

Holy heck I've never seen maskedmelon post with such righteous fury. May have to zoom in on the back log

[loramin]

Originally Posted by skarlorn [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Holy heck I've never seen maskedmelon post with such righteous fury. May have to zoom in on the back log

Yeah I know, me neither! Hell, even when Mick and I disagree (ie. all of the time) not even he comes at me with that level of personal bitterness (it's a more like a general crazed rage .... I <3 you Mick!).

I'm certain Melon won't believe it, but I do try to engage in these discussions honestly with everyone. I do it with the (probably futile) goal of changing people's minds, not to "win" (honestly what's there's to win here? Anyone arguing serious topics in a 15+ year old elf sim forum is a loser [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]). Furthermore that's actually been doubly true with Melon since I honestly respect and agree with the majority of his(?) posts outside this thread ... and yet my efforts only seem to further convince melon that I'm a dishonest troll, generating more rage and drawing more insults.

At this point ... well a person can only engage in civil discourse for so long when the other side isn't being civil, so I guess it's better we both go our separate ways.

[loramin]

If, hypothetically, the following was true:

A) there is in fact an incredibly pervasive and deep-rooted set of pattern matching algorithms in our brain, left over from a time long ago in our evolution

B) these "algorithms" are responsible for institutional racist thinking (to put it another way, seeing a person of ___ color on TV doing ____ does convince your brain that in general people of ____ color do ____, because those pattern matching bits aren't sophisticated enough to tell what's on TV apart ... because they evolved long before TV existed)

C) that a person's thinking can be changed by changing the pattern inputs

what kind of proof would convince you of it?