Drusella Player Agreement?

[Erati]

Originally Posted by aaezil [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Argument for being a camp:
Same as lucan who is the most mechanically similar spawn in the game

Argument for not being a camp:
Scout roll? (Idk why you said that)
Badain ( 3 days with variance)
VT/VD (not mechanically similar - huge windows)

Sorry i tried but i just dont see the not a camp argument.

Lucan was not a camp tho so the simple fact that he is now randomly considered a camp does not mean in p99s history when he wasnt campable that he was killed invalidly. How a mob thats been handled as both fte and camp can be used as a reason for DS to be a camp is literally retarded.

Also your only reason that those others arent camps are due to window size? What? Scout spawns twice a day as does Phinigel, neither are camps.

Lets look at Stormfeather for a moment, currently is a camp however it wasnt initially. In fact Stormfeather at Velious release had an FTE message and was socked identical to Lodizal which is also not a camp. Stormfeather now is a camp w variance and a skip mechanic which basically throws out your “window being too long” reasons.

[Erati]

Originally Posted by aaezil [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Again for the most mechanically similar mob in the game (lucan) just being fd in the room does not give you camp rights - belongs to the person clearing the room

Which is a recent change...using Lucan is a bad example see my post above.

I realize GMs recognize him as a camp now but I guess we need them to clarify all these other mobs too then amirite?

[aaezil]

You are right - the rules are inconsentent and poorly presented/documented. Otherwise we wouldnt be having this stupid conversation that only a gm could tell you the answer to. Have fun with drusella petionquests p99!

[Erati]

Originally Posted by aaezil [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

You are right - the rules are inconsentent and poorly presented/documented. Otherwise we wouldnt be having this stupid conversation that only a gm could tell you the answer to. Have fun with drusella petionquests p99!

Ding ding ding, you have seen the light.

[Erati]

One could even argue that clearing the golems in DS's room is simply just camping the stupid Mortiferous Protector and does not give you claim to Drusella as that would be camping two things at once. Typically when you are camping two mobs at once and someone shows up to lay claim to one of them, you are forced to choose which one of the mobs you want to relinquish as you cannot hold multiple camps at once.

https://wiki.project1999.com/Mortiferous_Protector

The problem with this is that the players do not want you to view the act of clearing the room as them camping two mobs ( Drusella and the MP ), they want the MP to be considered equal to the trash since his loot is not good ( druid boots ). Think about how Crypt in Sebilis plays out when a group clears in only to find a shaman soloing the Hierophant room only. They typically are forced to take the rest of the spawns leaving the Hierophant room alone, but if the shaman moves away from the room that group will most certainly pull the PH or named if its up.

So again, people are picking and choosing how the camp rules get applied and thats the inconsistency Im pointing out.

Happy Friday everyone.

[aaezil]

If you made that argument and made someone choose ds or mp they would just say i choose ds and not fte the ph or mp and give you a chance to kill him and if you declined then you just gave up all your camp rights to that spot. Seems pretty cut and dry.

[Erati]

Originally Posted by aaezil [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

If you made that argument and made someone choose ds or mp they would just say i choose ds and not fte the ph or mp and give you a chance to kill him and if you declined then you just gave up all your camp rights to that spot. Seems pretty cut and dry.

Exactly my point about why clearing the room has nothing to do with camping or trying to claim Drusella when you can easily differentiate between the two spawns, camps or whatever it ends up becoming.

[Wonkie]

what's the starting line for drusella FTE?

[Teppler]

Originally Posted by Erati [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

One could even argue that clearing the golems in DS's room is simply just camping the stupid Mortiferous Protector and does not give you claim to Drusella as that would be camping two things at once. Typically when you are camping two mobs at once and someone shows up to lay claim to one of them, you are forced to choose which one of the mobs you want to relinquish as you cannot hold multiple camps at once.

https://wiki.project1999.com/Mortiferous_Protector

The problem with this is that the players do not want you to view the act of clearing the room as them camping two mobs ( Drusella and the MP ), they want the MP to be considered equal to the trash since his loot is not good ( druid boots ). Think about how Crypt in Sebilis plays out when a group clears in only to find a shaman soloing the Hierophant room only. They typically are forced to take the rest of the spawns leaving the Hierophant room alone, but if the shaman moves away from the room that group will most certainly pull the PH or named if its up.

So again, people are picking and choosing how the camp rules get applied and thats the inconsistency Im pointing out.

Happy Friday everyone.

Crypt has a special ruling on it like Captain in Karnors. If you are in LoS of the rooms of what you are killing, and you are keeping it down in a reasonable amount of time, it's camped.

[aaezil]

Without a gm response who knows what the ruling for DS is / will be. Good luck