When will the illegal Hate farming stop?

[Tricket]

Originally Posted by Dillusional [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

I suppose they'll get punished as soon as someone makes a video of this happening.

https://youtu.be/RXuc9g1fQ6o

Not sure if this is video of people illegally doing it, but here's a video from last night of people doing it.

Considerations:
0) all parties were unguilded. I did a /guildstatus on each I could find. No guilds, maybe you recognize names?
1) I logged in a min or so earlier but did not start the video as i waited for OBS to load (wasn't expecting to have to film).
2) They were pulling as i logged in. They had a ranger with 1 epic parked at the fountain, but he got aggro and died (press F to pay respects). His body can be seen at 8:05 (Tinyas).
3) The body of the Mini (Coercer) stayed and rotted without anyone other than the killers checking the loot (maybe no item dropped they needed?)
3) at 8:00 mins ish in the video, an unknown ranger logs in and LD quickly. He had no epic. Might have just been a tracker, but IMO any ranger logging in is suspicious since its ranger epic item.
4) Pathers on all sides can be seen, implying they were not cleared before mob was pulled. However, it is a group of monks, so they could have zoned in and flopped their way to fountain.
5) I'm not making conclusions, I'm giving eyes on what I saw. Make your own conclusions!

[azeth]

Originally Posted by Tricket [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

https://youtu.be/RXuc9g1fQ6o

Not sure if this is video of people illegally doing it, but here's a video from last night of people doing it.

Considerations:
0) all parties were unguilded. I did a /guildstatus on each I could find. No guilds, maybe you recognize names?
1) I logged in a min or so earlier but did not start the video as i waited for OBS to load (wasn't expecting to have to film).
2) They were pulling as i logged in. They had a ranger with 1 epic parked at the fountain, but he got aggro and died (press F to pay respects). His body can be seen at 8:05 (Tinyas).
3) The body of the Mini (Coercer) stayed and rotted without anyone other than the killers checking the loot (maybe no item dropped they needed?)
3) at 8:00 mins ish in the video, an unknown ranger logs in and LD quickly. He had no epic. Might have just been a tracker, but IMO any ranger logging in is suspicious since its ranger epic item.
4) Pathers on all sides can be seen, implying they were not cleared before mob was pulled. However, it is a group of monks, so they could have zoned in and flopped their way to fountain.
5) I'm not making conclusions, I'm giving eyes on what I saw. Make your own conclusions!

Frustrating but you need to catch them logging in where they should not have been (illegally) camped out.

[Tricket]

Originally Posted by azeth [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Frustrating but you need to catch them logging in where they should not have been (illegally) camped out.

No that's okay, I am not going to sock players socking minis. I was checking timers for my own guild and happened upon this group. After reading this thread thought something might come of it so I filmed it, I'm not invested beyond surface-level drama hunting.
But now you know where to set up your own sting operation! [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

[Lobster1071]

Originally Posted by Tricket [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Not sure if this is video of people illegally doing it, but here's a video from last night of people doing it.

Considerations:
0) all parties were unguilded. I did a /guildstatus on each I could find. No guilds, maybe you recognize names?
1) I logged in a min or so earlier but did not start the video as i waited for OBS to load (wasn't expecting to have to film).
2) They were pulling as i logged in. They had a ranger with 1 epic parked at the fountain, but he got aggro and died (press F to pay respects). His body can be seen at 8:05 (Tinyas).
3) The body of the Mini (Coercer) stayed and rotted without anyone other than the killers checking the loot (maybe no item dropped they needed?)
3) at 8:00 mins ish in the video, an unknown ranger logs in and LD quickly. He had no epic. Might have just been a tracker, but IMO any ranger logging in is suspicious since its ranger epic item.
4) Pathers on all sides can be seen, implying they were not cleared before mob was pulled. However, it is a group of monks, so they could have zoned in and flopped their way to fountain.
5) I'm not making conclusions, I'm giving eyes on what I saw. Make your own conclusions!

They did the same thing tonight (this morning around 2:30am est). Magi was of course up, and Eliashib was of course there too (have a screenshot). So what happens? We port up to entrance, and you know, actually follow the rules. However, lo and behold, mobs are up between entrance and fountain, we have to clear to get to her, yet Eliashib and his small crew at the fountain single target the Magi and kill her. Grats!

It confirms your point #4. It wasn't only pathers around fountain, but mobs from the entrance to the fountain that needed to be cleared.

Basically nothing can be done about it, and it seems the GMs apparently can't do anything about it either. So /shrug

[Rimitto]

Originally Posted by Lobster1071 [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

They did the same thing tonight (this morning around 2:30am est). Magi was of course up, and Eliashib was of course there too (have a screenshot). So what happens? We port up to entrance, and you know, actually follow the rules. However, lo and behold, mobs are up between entrance and fountain, we have to clear to get to her, yet Eliashib and his small crew at the fountain single target the Magi and kill her. Grats!

It confirms your point #4. It wasn't only pathers around fountain, but mobs from the entrance to the fountain that needed to be cleared.

Basically nothing can be done about it, and it seems the GMs apparently can't do anything about it either. So /shrug

I know I'm not the voice of reason here but can't you just like... drag a horde of monsters over to the fountain and kill everyone? Massive amounts of dickish death usually solves shit like this. [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

[Lobster1071]

Originally Posted by Rimitto [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

I know I'm not the voice of reason here but can't you just like... drag a horde of monsters over to the fountain and kill everyone? Massive amounts of dickish death usually solves shit like this. [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

That's an interesting solution, however, the people who like to play for enjoyment usually are not dicks like this, and it would require us to stoop to their level. If the solution to every wrong on the server is to simply train them, then I go back to one of my previous suggestions, just eliminiate all rules and have server anarchy. That way we can all camp the fountain and do what they are doing. You don't have to worry about organizing people, buying stones to port up, clearing large amounts of mobs, or doing anything that's required for a Hate break in. You know, do what they are doing.

[Lothisu]

Originally Posted by Lobster1071 [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

They did the same thing tonight (this morning around 2:30am est). Magi was of course up, and Eliashib was of course there too (have a screenshot). So what happens? We port up to entrance, and you know, actually follow the rules. However, lo and behold, mobs are up between entrance and fountain, we have to clear to get to her, yet Eliashib and his small crew at the fountain single target the Magi and kill her. Grats!

It confirms your point #4. It wasn't only pathers around fountain, but mobs from the entrance to the fountain that needed to be cleared.

Basically nothing can be done about it, and it seems the GMs apparently can't do anything about it either. So /shrug

Just so I'm clear, did you want Eliashib to clear a yellow brick road for you and your guild to get to the fountain to make it easier for you to contest?

[Hyjalx]

Not sure why this is even a topic anymore, but it's good to keep the focus on it.

The same bottleneck occured for the wizard epic and VS. The fix was made to have the staff drop more often. And so it did. This will likely have a similar outcome.

Hope this helps. Good luck.

[LazyHydras]

Originally Posted by Lothisu [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Just so I'm clear, did you want Eliashib to clear a yellow brick road for you and your guild to get to the fountain to make it easier for you to contest?

Hi, Eliashib. Good to see you post on the forums.

[Lobster1071]

Originally Posted by Lothisu [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Just so I'm clear, did you want Eliashib to clear a yellow brick road for you and your guild to get to the fountain to make it easier for you to contest?

Yes, that's exactly the point of this entire thread. Clear me a way to the fountain. Nailed it!

...or, just maybe, it could be about following clearly established rules.

I have no problem with losing a target when beaten fair and square. It's happened many times. I DO have a problem when a small number of people cheat and are a detriment to fun and good competition.

So if the rules aren't followed in Hate, can we now park a few people in Fear for the Golems? Maybe set up a farm crew in Velk so we don't have to get people up to him either? How about something bigger and park a few groups at the exit in west ToV for LTK? Oh...none of these things are allowed? However in Hate, it's perfectly fine to park people there, track for something, then log in and ninja it as soon as it pops. It's creates a slippery slope to throwing all rules out the window.

As I said, either revise the rules, delete the rules, have everyone ignore the rules, or actually enforce the rules.


https://www.project1999.com/forums/s...d.php?t=189856

Q26: What exactly does the staff consider a Raid mob?
A: ...along with Maestro and mini bosses in Plane of Hate (if a guild is actively clearing hate when a mini boss spawns, they will not be DQ'd from that mini boss).

Q16: Are we allowed to bind at raid mobs? And/or camp out toons at raid mobs?
A: Absolutely not.