My proposal for Raiding guilds and GMs of P1999

[Glitterati]

Originally Posted by Icecometus [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

At this point only 4 guilds are up in the planes with any frequency: Div, DA, IB and Remedy. Not sure what these other guilds are you speak of, Trans is all but finished (sorry Supreme). IMO these guilds have a right to a rotation.

I beg your pardon? I believe Winston Churchill said it best,

“Beware the sleeping dragon. For when she awakes the Earth will shake"

[Icecometus]

I don't see PuG raids being a reality, sorry. Most people who want to raid will find a guild. If that guild can go up into the planes and clear em then they should be given consideration. My system could handle up to 8 guilds if the mini bosses were a separate pick and 2 guilds a week would get the rights to kill them.

[Supreme]

Originally Posted by Thorjorkill [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Supreme you know that you are looking at a MINIMUM of 3-5k to just get started right?

You want reasons, how bout I give you 10 reasons to absolve your retardedness...

1)Community Fracture
2)Hosting costs
3)Hardware costs
4)Emergency Maintenance
5)Data Maintenance
6)Smaller player pool for each server - and good luck with maintaining costs while building a consistent playerbase willing to donate
7)Donations rolling in on TWO servers is sure to raise some eyebrows
8)More of the same horseshit once populations stabilize (you've not fixed a DAMN thing)
9)GMs/Guides (there is enough work here already)
10)People solving problems by throwing money at social issues deserve to be shot. (Yes put that skinny $%^& out on the white house lawn and put one in the back of his head...)


I'll bet if I really thought about it, I can do ten more, but I winged it.

$3000-5000 dollars? *gasp*

How about i give you 10 reasons why your 10 reasons are invalid?

1)Your community is already crumbling because people are choosing to leave or not play at all because there is nothing waiting for them after level 50.

2)Covered

3)Covered

4)Covered

5)Covered

6)Since it would be a fresh start server i think you are wrong in assuming that there will be a smaller player pool for each server. In fact i think there will be a returning of players as well as more people willing to actually play again.

7)Raise eyebrows with who? Sony? Ya i am doing this to make some $$$ for myself of course..just like everything else I have done/do.

8)Horseshit like..FFA ,perma-camped raid mobs? Yet the specific purpose of a second server is to have a GM enforced raid rotation that is governed by the guilds/player base themselves instead of a spawn variance FFA system.

9)Thats right because only p1999 has people willing or able to be GMs/Guides!

10)Your statement that this is a social issue and then trying to correlate it between something political is kinda far fetched. Offering a second server for people that desire to see a rotation while leaving a server for those that desire to see "FFA" system is a great idea. Its a two way street.

I do not feel forcing people that like FFA to accept a rotation is ok nor do i feel forcing people that like rotation to accept FFA works either.


Either way when a second server does become available you can always choose to not play on it /shrug.

[Icecometus]

Originally Posted by Glitterati [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

I beg your pardon? I believe Winston Churchill said it best,

“Beware the sleeping dragon. For when she awakes the Earth will shake"

Haha well he was right. I would hate to be the metaphorical Japan in this "war" [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

[sidgb]

Even if you don't buy PuGs as viable don't forget the possibility of alliance raids between one or more guilds. I would say they have a legitimate claim to a random if that becomes the deciding factor.

[Loke]

As long as there are people willing to camp, it will continue to occur.

I don't particularly like camping, but I do it (just like the rest of DA and IB) because it's better than not getting mobs. If we did go back to a no camping thing and one guild wasn't getting as many mobs - I am willing to bet that camping would start up again. Its not going to stop as long as people are willing to do it - plain and simple.

I'm not offering any suggestions in this thread because I don't think that we need more rules. Personally I think we have too many already.

[Supreme]

Originally Posted by Icecometus [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

At this point only 4 guilds are up in the planes with any frequency: Div, DA, IB and Remedy. Not sure what these other guilds are you speak of, Trans is all but finished (sorry Supreme). IMO these guilds have a right to a rotation.

I am not sure why you would need to apologize to me. I see lots of members on each day doing their thing...but i guess because we are not all playing our level 50s and running ourselves into the ground to do 11 year old content that somehow excludes us from the discussion or makes us no longer relevant?

Here is your "Get the fuck over yourself" response.

[astarothel]

Originally Posted by Otto [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

A Rotation is completely unnecessary. What we need is for everyone to agree that camping is bullshit (which it appears everyone has) and go back to racing or make some new setup that is pseudo first to engage/ffa that is agreed upon by the guilds who are raiding.

This is what I tried to come up with doing my Suicide Kings rotation.

It's not a pure rotation because if you aren't paying attention to when things spawn you will miss out. Tough nuts.

First and foremost I came up with it to stop the camping game, where you get 3 guilds with who knows how many people just sitting around 'bating, and sooner or later someone is gonna douche it up and interfere.

People say they want racing and mobilization, I feel my SK solution would provide a degree of it since FFA looks less and less likely.

[sidgb]

Originally Posted by Icecometus [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

I don't see PuG raids being a reality, sorry. Most people who want to raid will find a guild. If that guild can go up into the planes and clear em then they should be given consideration. My system could handle up to 8 guilds if the mini bosses were a separate pick and 2 guilds a week would get the rights to kill them.

If the "top guilds" left the boss content up for an evening I guarantee you it would be taken down by a PuG raid (or alliance raid) within 24 hours the first time it was discovered. There after within 6 hours.

Thats how it worked on live and thats how it would work here.

[Icecometus]

Originally Posted by Supreme [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

I am not sure why you would need to apologize to me. I see lots of members on each day doing their thing...but i guess because we are not all playing our level 50s and running ourselves into the ground to do 11 year old content that somehow excludes us from the discussion or makes us no longer relevant?

Here is your "Get the fuck over yourself" response.

When I see a Tranny raid I will eat crow but its been at least a month since I saw any attempt at one.