Why is training allowed on p99 in veeshan's peak? (poll asking your opinion)

[Godefroi]

Originally Posted by Tasslehofp99 [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

I understand the whole "GM's don't want 3x more petitions for VP every week" argument, but what is going to happen come velious when there are about 20 times more raid targets? Already there is talk of allowing training in Sleeper's tomb/NTov (not classic) and that would be super unfortunate for the server if training was continued to be allowed moving forward into velious.

Why do you think the staff isn't in a rush at all to release velious ? Exactly for this reason.

[Alarti0001]

Originally Posted by Godefroi [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Why do you think the staff isn't in a rush at all to release velious ? Exactly for this reason.

The dev team doesnt handle petitions smart guy. Go update your meetic profile.

[Godefroi]

^ still single [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

OK EQ Nazi, before you nerd rage at me , read my posts lol

Staff = Devs + GMs right ?

Pasty, single n mad. Santé!

[Alarti0001]

Originally Posted by Godefroi [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

^ still single [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

OK EQ Nazi, before you nerd rage at me , read my posts lol

Staff = Devs + GMs right ?

Pasty, single n mad. Santé!

Let me explain what you wrote... since you can't seem to form a coherent thought.
You said the "staff" isn't in a rush to release velious because of petitions. This implies the GM staff. However, Velious is delayed for Developer work, not fear of IB/FE petition spam.

Sorry if you managed to confuse yourself.

Unless you are trying to imply that Kanras and Nilbog fear petitions and aren't working as hard as they could...

[Llodd]

Originally Posted by Tasslehofp99 [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Training being allowed there makes it impossible for GM's to acquire legitimate info from multiple guilds regarding the state of the zone. Training isn't classic, wasn't allowed on live in VP despite what many people on this server seem to think. There is tons of proof that training was never allowed by GM's on live. Did it happen? Sure, but if it was proven to be intentional severe punishments were handed to entire guilds.


NON-CSR DOESNT MEAN FREE FOR ALL. It didn't even mean that GM's wouldn't enforce the PNP there. All it meant was you enter at your own risk, and if you happen to die and lose your corpse the GM's wouldn't help you retrieve it. Plane of Fear/Hate/Sky were all also tagged non-CSR, so why isn't training allowed in those zones as well on p99? Just seems like a very contradictory stance regarding classic/non classic implementations on the raid scene to allow training in VP when it certainly wasn't allowed on live.

I understand the whole "GM's don't want 3x more petitions for VP every week" argument, but what is going to happen come velious when there are about 20 times more raid targets? Already there is talk of allowing training in Sleeper's tomb/NTov (not classic) and that would be super unfortunate for the server if training was continued to be allowed moving forward into velious.

I dont know why you're replying to my query with all this. The point is, staff don't want to deal with that zone because of it's pathing issues making trains common and difficult to ascertain who is responsible for what.

It seems to me the only way it will ever change is either the GM's come down really hard with a take_no_shit policy and just ban people. Which obviously would work after an inititial chaos period. Something Sirken has repeatedly, and unfortunately imo, stated he wont do.

Which leaves the only other option of getting the pathing sorted out, hence my question as to why is it so difficult to sort out. What is unique about this zone that prevents the devs from being able to code the pathing correctly.

[Nirgon]

TMO has power over GMs lmfao.

Any recent TMO apps that became members get an email welcoming them to the diplomatic immunity club?

That's what I thought.

[Tasslehofp99]

Originally Posted by Nirgon [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

TMO has power over GMs lmfao.

Any recent TMO apps that became members get an email welcoming them to the diplomatic immunity club?

That's what I thought.

The point of the thread is that the rules are fucked in VP, and not a good representation of what VP raiding was on live. Everyone says training was allowed in VP on live yet there is not one single shread of evidence of this, do you happen to have any?

[heartbrand]

Just reroll on team99 when it launches IMO

[Alarti0001]

Originally Posted by Tasslehofp99 [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

The point of the thread is that the rules are fucked in VP, and not a good representation of what VP raiding was on live. Everyone says training was allowed in VP on live yet there is not one single shread of evidence of this, do you happen to have any?

Prove it

[Autotune]

Originally Posted by Llodd [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

How did you read that into what he said? anyway

Originally Posted by velioussales99 [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Because TMO would carry on training in VP and make it impossible for GMs to enforce rules.

Probably because he is implying GMs couldn't do their job because of something a guild does...
Like I said, GMs could easily enforce the rules if they wanted to. All it would take is an iron fist approach.

However, as much as the other guilds like to boast non-training, they would cry a river and bitch up a mountain when Sirken handed down a giant raid suspension for training on accident.

Originally Posted by Llodd [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

What is so unique about this zone that it's impossible to fix the pathing issues? I realise recently they did try to make changes to how the pathing in there works and it appears it hasn't made much difference. SO what gives.

I don't think the zone is that unique, I believe it just hasn't seen much from the devs.

Not to mention, that while the zone was going to be released, the pathing dev was called out to be abusing his powers (true/untrue as it may have been) and ultimately quit. This left VP without anyone to focus on its pathing as the other devs, I believe, were/are focused on Velious.

From what I have seen now there is a new dev working on pathing, but he/she either isn't an expert (not being an ass), has given VP very little attention, or has been focusing on Velious zones more (or some combination of those).