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Originally Posted by booter
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i don't like police killing people, but she was climbing through the window over a barricade into a room where congresspeople were literally sheltering in place. the guard has no idea whether or not she is armed, or what is coming in right behind her. he has a job to protect the people we elect. there was no other option at that point in my opinion at least iN tHe HeAt Of ThE mOmEnT aka SpLiT sEcOnD dEcIsIoNs.
can you imagine what would have happened had she/others been allowed to breach that point?
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Originally Posted by Gravydoo II
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Really though, its that serious at any military check point. The quarter deck of every ship is guarded with armed guards. If you cross in a violent/rioting manner, you can/will be shot. Everyone whos been on quarter deck watch knows this. Its that serious. Those check points exist in the capital anywhere they choose to erect them, even in the moment. Cant just charge the officials.
I feel sorry for her being delusional but if someone is going to be shot, thats the place they should be shot. That behavior in that place, in that moment, is reason to be shot. If people tried to take the quarter deck of the ship by force you best believe they would be shot. Thats just a ship.. not even the capital.
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I saw the video and it was a cop lurking behind cover who fired without warning before she did any lunging. You talk about the severity of the situation because of the people behind the door but the cops were not enforcing the security of that important premises with lethal force in general. So, it was simply not to be expected. It was done with zero warning that he was lethally serious, no verbal warning no loud sounds no hand signals on a day when the rest of the cops were wearing kid gloves, and to the person who probably least deserved it.
If the cop were not lurking behind cover so overly-concerned for his own welfare he could have pistol whipped her at the window, he could have fired over the people's heads and sent them scattering like roaches. He could have done more. But he was panicked, or eager to shoot, or really internalized that dogma that the cop's life is the very most important one (but why yes i am a hero too).
Don't excuse the needless death of this poor lady because of your politics. And don't stay glued on your point like a kid. Go watch the video. A gunshot's percussion in that enclosed space with a crowd is PANIC inducing, man could have held the door with blanks but killed someone just in case. Probably following his training, which is therefore clearly flawed. I'm not a psycho feminist so I'm allowed to say that it's totally fucked up and pathetic for a man to shoot a woman in the throat without warning for looking through a window with the apparent intention to start threading her leg through it imminently, whoever it is down the hall.
If you're militarized cops, act like militarized cops uniformly. Don't surprise-pop the most sympathetic character on the scene and leave Baked Alaska in Pelosi's office to stream. No forceful verbal warnings, no clear posturing to fire, no nothing. Yes it's the heat of the moment, but if you can't calculate in the heat of the moment don't take a martial profession.
She was a girl riled up on group psychology, not a potent threat. The gunshot totally broke the mood at that doorway if ya didn't notice. Cop could have done more. Could have fired into the ceiling, could have behaved with honor. But instead followed training to the letter with no mercy. I'm not calling for him to be imprisoned -- this is entropy at work, really, the entropy of many poor-quality human beings, and more violence will not help--, only calling him a shame on his family. People who go blind when they face danger should not be police. And I'm lamenting the utterly senseless death of a mentally ill woman, killed by chaos in perhaps the most controllable of all situations on the premises that day. And bemoaning the poor quality of any loved ones in her life who did not discourage this behavior. And lastly, am expressing that it is sad to see the tribal apologetics for state violence every time it is applied to the audience's "other side".
These people are not demons any more than you are. We have been collectively abused. We are so alienated from the political process of our "democracy" that a cartoon frog has taken over discourse. This woman was killed by the storm of chaos and iniquity she was caught in -- not for her sins.
As for the policeman, he made the vocational decision to be in such situations but lacks the strength to behave with heart in them. Ergo he is a complete shitbird. Loser shot a woman to death. Could have achieved the same stopping power with a firecracker. Huge karmic backstep. Bad cop, no donut.
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