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Old 01-14-2012, 03:25 PM
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Old 01-14-2012, 04:51 PM
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This thread is degenerating and I'm tired of seeing staff insults

I personally LIKE Rogean and Nilbog and I trust them. I also appreciate them and their time and effort that they put into the server.

They both put in long hours and lots of work and effort into this project and they are only getting shit on in this thread.

If you are dissatisfied with the server and can't think of anything more constructive to do than shit on the server and the two men who are the most responsible for bringing it to you then GTFO - I don't want you here and I'm glad to show you the door.

If you would like to provide constructive help to the server to resolve issues that you perceive to exist then feel free to private message me to ask for constructive ways to help.

If the thread continues to degenerate with shit flinging and blame directed at the staff then I'm going to lock it. Rogean and Nilbog can yell at me later.

FYI - continued shit flinging directed towards any staff member (Guinea Pig, Rogean, Nilbog etc) will result in forum account bans and suspensions. I'm sorry. I absolutely love some of you but I'm just not going to sit here and watch it anymore.


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Old 01-14-2012, 04:57 PM
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To Everyone:

This thread is degenerating and I'm tired of seeing staff insults

I personally LIKE Rogean and Nilbog and I trust them. I also appreciate them and their time and effort that they put into the server.

They both put in long hours and lots of work and effort into this project and they are only getting shit on in this thread.

If you are dissatisfied with the server and can't think of anything more constructive to do than shit on the server and the two men who are the most responsible for bringing it to you then GTFO - I don't want you here and I'm glad to show you the door.

If you would like to provide constructive help to the server to resolve issues that you perceive to exist then feel free to private message me to ask for constructive ways to help.

If the thread continues to degenerate with shit flinging and blame directed at the staff then I'm going to lock it. Rogean and Nilbog can yell at me later.

FYI - continued shit flinging directed towards any staff member (Guinea Pig, Rogean, Nilbog etc) will result in forum account bans and suspensions. I'm sorry. I absolutely love some of you but I'm just not going to sit here and watch it anymore.


Thank you very much,

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Old 01-15-2012, 01:21 AM
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If you would like to provide constructive help to the server to resolve issues that you perceive to exist then feel free to private message me to ask for constructive ways to help.
I have a few suggestions.

First of all, with all due respect, the data you log for raid encounters is inadequate. The 'P99 Systems' table data you save is neat, but since raid encounters are infrequent enough that you could record a lot more data without making it a resource burden on the server. With enough data you could issue punishments for certain crimes without needing to witness them.

That table could be expanded to record the following:

Damage done by the raid mob
Healing received by players
The location the mob was killed

It would also be fairly trivial to log mob actions to a flat file. Events like movement starts/stops, attacks on players, spell casts, etc. Spell failures due to LOS checks not being met would be particularly interesting.

Another thought I had was to have a separation between evidence gathering GMs and enforcers that deal out punishments. I.e. you have a small army of people who can do nothing but witness raids while GM invis, who would document the encounter with screenshots, client logs, fraps, showeq, etc, and then make a case to people with ban powers on a private forum. That way you could have more GM eyes watching raids as you could be less selective when signing up new GMs that may only watch.

You also have people here with programming experience that might be interested in contributing bug fixes, but such tight control over the source makes that impossible. Coders who play on the servers regularly would be particularly valuable in this regard, as they would be more aware of what is broken. I myself have wanted to fix a number of pathing issues in certain zones that I'm pretty sure wouldn't even require access to the source code. (and possibly more, but I'm not going to take the time to learn how the base emu code works without knowing if I'll be able to contribute)
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Old 01-15-2012, 01:48 AM
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I have a few suggestions.

First of all, with all due respect, the data you log for raid encounters is inadequate. The 'P99 Systems' table data you save is neat, but since raid encounters are infrequent enough that you could record a lot more data without making it a resource burden on the server. With enough data you could issue punishments for certain crimes without needing to witness them.

That table could be expanded to record the following:

Damage done by the raid mob
Healing received by players
The location the mob was killed

It would also be fairly trivial to log mob actions to a flat file. Events like movement starts/stops, attacks on players, spell casts, etc. Spell failures due to LOS checks not being met would be particularly interesting.

Another thought I had was to have a separation between evidence gathering GMs and enforcers that deal out punishments. I.e. you have a small army of people who can do nothing but witness raids while GM invis, who would document the encounter with screenshots, client logs, fraps, showeq, etc, and then make a case to people with ban powers on a private forum. That way you could have more GM eyes watching raids as you could be less selective when signing up new GMs that may only watch.

You also have people here with programming experience that might be interested in contributing bug fixes, but such tight control over the source makes that impossible. Coders who play on the servers regularly would be particularly valuable in this regard, as they would be more aware of what is broken. I myself have wanted to fix a number of pathing issues in certain zones that I'm pretty sure wouldn't even require access to the source code. (and possibly more, but I'm not going to take the time to learn how the base emu code works without knowing if I'll be able to contribute)
Very interesting perspective would you please elaborate
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Old 01-14-2012, 04:57 PM
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It's only just now beginning to degenerate Amelinda. Up until now its really been headed somewhere. SRSLY!
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Old 01-14-2012, 05:00 PM
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Old 01-14-2012, 05:03 PM
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Holocaust must be loving the diversionary route this thread took.

Still exploiting bads, though. Can't hide it "bros".
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Old 01-14-2012, 05:26 PM
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Old 01-14-2012, 05:27 PM
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