Myconid Spore King - Monk Solo

[Samoht]

Originally Posted by DeathsSilkyMist [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

You and Zur trolled the wiki page to give OP a lower score. The wiki edit history and the post history is clear. Somebody had to undo literal troll edits.

Now Sscalez has gone in and edited it to clean up your mess instead. Next time don't edit the wiki to win a forum argument

Is your ability to maintain coherent thought breaking? Who's talking about the edits that Loramin had to remove? I'm talking about the page you used to impersonate another forum poster.

[DeathsSilkyMist]

Originally Posted by Samoht [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Is your ability to maintain coherent thought breaking? Who's talking about the edits that Loramin had to remove? I'm talking about the page you used to impersonate another forum poster.

You can keep repeating the same lies if you want. Loramin made a wiki page for me without my permission, and in a factually broken state that did not represent my calculator. Nobody said he impersonated me when this happened, not even myself. I am sorry you don't know what the defnition of impersonation is. This just makes you look silly.

https://www.project1999.com/forums/s...&postcount=993

[Samoht]

Originally Posted by DeathsSilkyMist [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

You can keep repeating the same lies if you want. Loramin made a wiki page for me without my permission, and in a factually broken state that did not represent my calculator. Nobody said he impersonated me when this happened, not even myself. I am sorry you don't know what the defnition of impersonation is. This just makes you look silly.

https://www.project1999.com/forums/s...&postcount=993

Oh, wow, it is broken. You're just jumping from one unrelated topic to the next now. I think he's stuck in misdirect mode.

[DeathsSilkyMist]

Originally Posted by Samoht [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Oh, wow, it is broken. You're just jumping from one unrelated topic to the next now. I think he's stuck in misdirect mode.

As you can see, Samoht is unable to counter any of my points. He is the one stuck in misdirect mode. I can keep posting the facts, and you can keep posting nonsense. You are only hurting yourself by doing this.

[Samoht]

Originally Posted by DeathsSilkyMist [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

As you can see, Samoht is unable to counter any of my points. He is the one stuck in misdirect mode. I can keep posting the facts, and you can keep posting nonsense. You are only hurting yourself by doing this.

I can't counter your points because you don't have any! It's called obfuscation. You invent straw man after straw man and move the goal posts and bring up some whataboutism. Not only do you get an F for debate class, but you're the class clown, and people laugh at you, but not in the good way.

[DeathsSilkyMist]

Originally Posted by Samoht [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

I can't counter your points

Correct. I am happy to leave the conversation there at this point if you are willing to stop talking in circles. Anybody can read the thread and see the objective truth of what happened.

[Samoht]

Originally Posted by DeathsSilkyMist [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Correct. I am happy to leave the conversation there at this point if you are willing to stop talking in circles. Anybody can read the thread and see the objective truth of what happened.

Yeah, they can look at the page history and see that:

1) You impersonated another forum poster by making a page in their name
2) They did not appreciate the page and tried to get rid of it
3) You obsessively refreshed the page and UNDID THEIR CHANGES every time they made one
4) They did not appreciate the page and tried to get rid of it
5) You obsessively refreshed the page and UNDID THEIR CHANGES every time they made one
6) They did not appreciate the page and tried to get rid of it
7) You obsessively refreshed the page and UNDID THEIR CHANGES every time they made one
8) They did not appreciate the page and tried to get rid of it
9) You obsessively refreshed the page and UNDID THEIR CHANGES every time they made one
10) They did not appreciate the page and tried to get rid of it
11) You obsessively refreshed the page and UNDID THEIR CHANGES every time they made one

There were probably more iterations, but I hope that gets the point across. I'm unsure what this has to do with Sscalez defacing the main SAC page that Loramin had to remove or your shitty DPS calculator. I don't think you had any point bringing them up, that's just more examples of your whataboutism.

My brother in christ, you cannot really be this stupid, can you?

[DeathsSilkyMist]

Originally Posted by Samoht [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Yeah, they can look at the page history and see that:

1) You impersonated another forum poster by making a page in their name
2) They did not appreciate the page and tried to get rid of it
3) You obsessively refreshed the page and UNDID THEIR CHANGES every time they made one
4) They did not appreciate the page and tried to get rid of it
5) You obsessively refreshed the page and UNDID THEIR CHANGES every time they made one
6) They did not appreciate the page and tried to get rid of it
7) You obsessively refreshed the page and UNDID THEIR CHANGES every time they made one
8) They did not appreciate the page and tried to get rid of it
9) You obsessively refreshed the page and UNDID THEIR CHANGES every time they made one
10) They did not appreciate the page and tried to get rid of it
11) You obsessively refreshed the page and UNDID THEIR CHANGES every time they made one

There were probably more iterations, but I hope that gets the point across. I'm unsure what this has to do with Sscalez defacing the main SAC page that Loramin had to remove or your shitty DPS calculator. I don't think you had any point bringing them up, that's just more examples of your whataboutism.

My brother in christ, you cannot really be this stupid, can you?

Another post full of lies to add to the pile. You just make easy on me to show you are a troll when you keep saying things that are easy to prove false. I am sorry, but everybody can read the thread and the wiki history. Do you want the last word with another post full of lies? How far does your reputation need to fall? When have you humiliated yourself enough?

Originally Posted by Samoht [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

I'll take that as a yes

It sounds like Samoht has finally decided to stop destroying his own reputation, at least for now. He can have the last word since he clearly wants it. I still find it amazing that posters like Samoht will keep doubling down, even after the facts have completely destroyed all arguments he can make, to the point where he just talks in circles forever.

https://www.project1999.com/forums/s...&postcount=993

People can read this post linked above to see how easily the "impersonation" argument is destroyed. They can also read it to see how Loramin's reason for suspending me was clearly biased. By Loramin's logic, he needs to suspend himself because he made a wiki page for me, without my permission, and in a knowingly broken state. He then ignored my request to have the wiki page fixed or taken down for almost a month. I had to eventually do it myself.

People can read the thread and the wiki history to see that Zuranthium and Samoht edited the wiki first in an attempt to lower OP's score. They did not act in good faith by doing this, they were just trolling OP and forcing their opinions on everybody else.

Back on topic:

Reposting OP's epic video where he kills Fungi King solo with his monk, no consumables:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wONdIYAofyQ

[Samoht]

I'll take that as a yes

[Stryker85]

Originally Posted by Zuranthium [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

That's not true, and most melee classes can't do much even with outside buffs, it's mainly just Monks. Most casters are also not able to: Wizards, Clerics, Mages, Druids. And also even when being allowed buffs, no melee character did it in Kunark era anyway.

It's not just about Monks at all. Warriors, Paladins, Shadowknights, and even Rangers can do some impressive things with buffs. And if melees weren't competing very much even when they were allowed to have buffs, then why are you so against them being allowed buffs now? It was done to even the playing field, and even that wasn't really enough to bring them on par with casters (which is fine).

Originally Posted by Zuranthium [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

It's not a battle of each player being limited to 1 specific class or trying to have rules that allow every class to compete equally; that is not possible in the first place. EQ is EQ, things are vastly imbalanced when it comes to the soloing capability different classes have.

The whole point of having rules in the first place is to try to make it as fair and balanced across the board as possible. Obviously it will never be COMPLETELY balanced, which is why casters still dominated the rankings even when buffs were allowed for melee. But there is no reason to not try to establish rules that allow for more than just caster's to earn the top rank possible.

Originally Posted by Zuranthium [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

The point of the solo challenges is to see how far each specific class can go. Completing an encounter at S- tier with a certain class could be comparatively more impressive than doing it at S+ tier with another class. Your S tier kill is the highest tier achieved in a public video as a Monk for that encounter. Instead of being glad to have achieved the current highest tier for a Monk, you're trying to tear down other people and rage against changes most people have said make sense. Changes that are objectively the much more accurate way to categorize videos and allow players to search for examples of things to try themselves.

I think this right here is where the crux of our disagreement stems from. I think the whole point of the solo challenge is to provide a set of parameters for people to challenge themselves against, in a way that awards people appropriately if they are able to do things under the most difficult limitations possible for their class. For example, if a melee can kill a God tier mob without consumables, that is just as difficult, if not more difficult than a caster doing so self buffed, so why should it be ranked any lower? It shouldn't be (imo).

I would appreciate it if you would stop implying that everyone here in this thread is on your side and agrees with you, because we all know that is not even remotely true. There's been maybe 1 other person besides you and Samoht that have tried to claim "buffs mean you weren't solo".

I've already suggested that we make a poll and see what the vast majority of the active EQ population thinks, but you seem to ignore this every time I bring it up... why is that?

I don't want to keep going back and forth with you for another 100 pages when this is obviously going nowhere until we can come to some general consensus. I'm willing to hash this out in discord or somewhere else where we can have a more productive conversation. You should know that if we can't come to agreement, Loramin has said that he will just keep the previous rules intact, and then neither of our proposed changes will make it in. If that's what you want, then fine, but I still think we can find room for compromise.