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Turtles · #**1031** 04-22-2011, 11:20 AM

Anyone that espouses liberalism or conservatism as "better" is a moron.

Anyone that believes they know with even a shred of certainty whether or not God exists is a moron.

If you're going to express a belief along those lines, save yourself time and get back to telling your co-workers at Pizza Hut about why you should run for President.

Nug · #**1032** 04-22-2011, 12:35 PM

http://www.latimes.com/news/obituari...,2687256.story

"Better" isn't as subjective as you'd like to think.

mirragerdo12 · #**1033** 04-22-2011, 04:49 PM

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Turtles · #**1034** 04-22-2011, 05:14 PM

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http://www.latimes.com/news/obituari...,2687256.story

"Better" isn't as subjective as you'd like to think.

Yes, it is. First of all, that experiment is trash. It proves correlation, not causation -- and the wide-ranging conclusions drawn from an over-simplified experiment are absurd. You might as well conclude that liberals, on average, are more literate; or have more agile and dexterous fingers.

The irony is that the attempt at identifying implications from the experiment proves why it's worthless. The experiment could provide scientific explanation for Bush's single-mindedness and Kerry being a flip-flopper? There's the problem. Is being single-minded a bad thing? Is being a flip-flopper a bad thing? It's entirely circumstantial. Single-mindedness is referred to as dedication and determination under the right circumstances. But if you're the Red Baron, it's referred to as "target fixation". That'd be the wrong circumstance. Flip-flopping can be open-mindedness. It can also be whimsicality and lack of conviction.

Everything is fluid. Liberal isn't better. Conservative isn't better. They're two overarching belief systems that each have proven to be correct and incorrect time and time again.

Nug · #**1035** 04-22-2011, 05:31 PM

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Yes, it is. First of all, that experiment is trash. It proves correlation, not causation -- and the wide-ranging conclusions drawn from an over-simplified experiment are absurd. You might as well conclude that liberals, on average, are more literate; or have more agile and dexterous fingers.

Wouldn't be that far fetched, but we're not here to make up correlations based on the study.

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The irony is that the attempt at identifying implications from the experiment proves why it's worthless. The experiment could provide scientific explanation for Bush's single-mindedness and Kerry being a flip-flopper? There's the problem. Is being single-minded a bad thing? Is being a flip-flopper a bad thing? It's entirely circumstantial. Single-mindedness is referred to as dedication and determination under the right circumstances. But if you're the Red Baron, it's referred to as "target fixation". That'd be the wrong circumstance. Flip-flopping can be open-mindedness. It can also be whimsicality and lack of conviction.

That's exactly a point the study itself brought up. I don't see why you're reiterating it.

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Everything is fluid. Liberal isn't better. Conservative isn't better. They're two overarching belief systems that each have proven to be correct and incorrect time and time again.

"Analyzing the data, Sulloway said liberals were 4.9 times as likely as conservatives to show activity in the brain circuits that deal with conflicts, and 2.2 times as likely to score in the top half of the distribution for accuracy."

Better. More testing is needed. For science!

JayDee · #**1036** 04-22-2011, 05:51 PM

You better stay low, Fore you get a Halo

Turtles · #**1037** 04-22-2011, 06:21 PM

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Better. More testing is needed. For science!

Better at what? Performing the experiment, which consisted of seeing a letter and clicking a button? You have to understand how badly you'd have to misinterpret this data in order to claim that liberal > conservative when it comes to political validity.

Nug · #**1038** 04-22-2011, 06:25 PM

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Better at what? Performing the experiment, which consisted of seeing a letter and clicking a button? You have to understand how badly you'd have to misinterpret this data in order to claim that liberal > conservative when it comes to political validity.

Better at performing the experiment, yes. I was never arguing political validity. I was arguing, quite simply, the superiority of clicking buttons. More tests need to be done, but maybe we'll see about the manual dexterity and literacy differences we could infer from the findings at a later point.

JayDee · #**1039** 04-23-2011, 10:51 PM

TTT to torture more people

wehrmacht · #**1040** 04-24-2011, 12:29 AM

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Originally Posted by Nug [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

http://www.latimes.com/news/obituari...,2687256.story

"Better" isn't as subjective as you'd like to think.

Useless study with lots of ambiguous terminology all over the place just like the words conservative and liberal themselves.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Left_right_paradigm