Best 4 person all caster/priest group

[PlsNoBan]

Originally Posted by DeathsSilkyMist [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

You already admitted groups aren't gong to be chain pulling mobs at 60, which was the entire argument for Mages[You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.] Nobody cares about 30 DPS when doing level 60 item farming like Fungi King.

Sorry you have to deal with the fact that mages do 50% more DPS than shamans. I know this is difficult. I'm confident you'll find a way to cope with it eventually!

[DeathsSilkyMist]

Originally Posted by PlsNoBan [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Sorry you have to deal with the fact that mages do 50% more DPS than shamans. I know this is difficult. I'm confident you'll find a way to cope with it eventually!

All of your points have been rebutted. You have now accepted my data, since you are using it, and you have admitted level 60 groups are not going to be chain pulling mobs. Chain pulling mobs was the crux of your argument for Mages.

It is up to the reader to decide whether they want the Mage for a slightly faster leveling experience, or the Shaman for a superior level 60 item farming experience. Since a 4 man caster group is going to be leveling insanely fast already, the answer is pretty clear. OP didn't pick a Mage[You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

[Toxigen]

No one is farming Fungi King with 4 people, nevermind 4 casters.

Hope this helps.

[DeathsSilkyMist]

Originally Posted by Toxigen [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

No one is farming Fungi King with 4 people, nevermind 4 casters.

Hope this helps.

OP might, since he made a 4 man caster group[You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.] Not sure why you are trying to discourage OP from farming good items.

Hope this helps.

[Vexenu]

1-59: Shaman is complete dead weight, basically just a SoW bot, bringing mostly unneeded utility. Mage is extremely strong 1-50 with no gear requirements, softens a bit 50+ but still outputting enormous DPS and requiring very modest gear. Necro is very strong 1-50 and adds an extreme level of utility in the form of snare, FD pulling, twitch and Screaming Terror for charm breaks while also putting out good DPS with the pet or undead charm the entire time. Falls off a little 50+ but remains very strong and provides enormous utility still.

There's basically no reason to ever pick the Shaman unless you are already all geared out at 60 and trying to four man something really hard that you need to slow ASAP and which you can also leverage the Shaman DoTs on. The Necro adds so much more value over the life of the group from 1-60 it isn't even funny.

[PlsNoBan]

Originally Posted by Vexenu [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

1-59: Shaman is complete dead weight, basically just a SoW bot, bringing mostly unneeded utility. Mage is extremely strong 1-50 with no gear requirements, softens a bit 50+ but still outputting enormous DPS and requiring very modest gear. Necro is very strong 1-50 and adds an extreme level of utility in the form of snare, FD pulling, twitch and Screaming Terror for charm breaks while also putting out good DPS with the pet or undead charm the entire time. Falls off a little 50+ but remains very strong and provides enormous utility still.

There's basically no reason to ever pick the Shaman unless you are already all geared out at 60 and trying to four man something really hard that you need to slow ASAP and which you can also leverage the Shaman DoTs on. The Necro adds so much more value over the life of the group from 1-60 it isn't even funny.

If you want to base your entire 1-60 leveling and gearing up experience around being able to kill Ixiblat then pick shaman. Otherwise pick a 3rd enc or a mage and do 50% more dps (sorry DSM it's not my fault mages do so much more damage)

[DeathsSilkyMist]

Originally Posted by Vexenu [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

1-59: Shaman is complete dead weight, basically just a SoW bot, bringing mostly unneeded utility. Mage is extremely strong 1-50 with no gear requirements, softens a bit 50+ but still outputting enormous DPS and requiring very modest gear. Necro is very strong 1-50 and adds an extreme level of utility in the form of snare, FD pulling, twitch and Screaming Terror for charm breaks while also putting out good DPS with the pet or undead charm the entire time. Falls off a little 50+ but remains very strong and provides enormous utility still.

There's basically no reason to ever pick the Shaman unless you are already all geared out at 60 and trying to four man something really hard that you need to slow ASAP and which you can also leverage the Shaman DoTs on. The Necro adds so much more value over the life of the group from 1-60 it isn't even funny.

If you want to go down that route, Enchanter is also basically dead weight until level 29 or so when they get Clarity. Their charm isn't very good, they have a low mana pool, and the mobs are just really easy to kill already. Same with Clerics. You are killing mobs so fast you don't need a ton of healing.

Once you get into the 40+ range Shaman will do just fine, especially if they have a JBB.

That is the reality. At low levels most classes are "dead weight" because they don't have their full toolkits and their skill levels suck. The reason why it doesn't matter is because mobs level 1-39 are tuned for groups with Fine Steel weapons and leather armor lol. A 4 man group of rogues could tear through levels 1-40 just switching who is tanking and bandaging hehe.

[PlsNoBan]

Originally Posted by DeathsSilkyMist [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

If you want to go down that route, Enchanter is also basically dead weight until level 29 or so when they get Clarity. Their charm isn't very good, they have a low mana pool, and the mobs are just really easy to kill already. Same with Clerics. You are killing mobs so fast you don't need a ton of healing.

Once you get into the 40+ range Shaman will do just fine, especially if they have a JBB.

That is the reality. At low levels most classes are "dead weight" because they don't have their full toolkits and their skill levels suck. The reason why it doesn't matter is because mobs level 1-39 are tuned for groups with Fine Steel weapons and leather armor lol. A 4 man group of rogues could tear through levels 1-40 just switching who is tanking and bandaging hehe.

Charm is strong much earlier than 29. I leveled an enc/enc duo with a friend of mine up to low 50s on blue. We were duoing all of lguk scryer camp by ourselves with zero mana issues and no deaths the entire time in our low/mid 20s. It was some of the fastest xp we got the entire time we leveled that duo. We were able to kill more/faster than the average full group of people at that camp without a charm. I'm convinced you legitimately have no idea what you're talking about

[Ripqozko]

Originally Posted by DeathsSilkyMist [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

If you want to go down that route, Enchanter is also basically dead weight until level 29 or so when they get Clarity. Their charm isn't very good, they have a low mana pool, and the mobs are just really easy to kill already. Same with Clerics. You are killing mobs so fast you don't need a ton of healing.

Once you get into the 40+ range Shaman will do just fine, especially if they have a JBB.

That is the reality. At low levels most classes are "dead weight" because they don't have their full toolkits and their skill levels suck. The reason why it doesn't matter is because mobs level 1-39 are tuned for groups with Fine Steel weapons and leather armor lol. A 4 man group of rogues could tear through levels 1-40 just switching who is tanking and bandaging hehe.

Charm is just fine at 12, what are you smoking .

[DeathsSilkyMist]

Originally Posted by PlsNoBan [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Charm is strong much earlier than 29. I leveled an enc/enc duo with a friend of mine up to low 50s. We were duoing all of lguk scryer camp by ourselves with zero mana issues and no deaths the entire time in our low/mid 20s. I'm convinced you legitimately have no idea what you're talking about

I have leveled an Enchanter from 1-30 myself, with raid gear[You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.] My level 24 Warrior with a fraction of the gear is killing mobs way faster. He can just face tank 3 mobs in guk no problem, and keep going afterwards.