Why is training allowed on p99 in veeshan's peak? (poll asking your opinion)

[Tasslehofp99]

Originally Posted by xmonkx [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

As I said Tassle, I dont know what server you came from but on Mith Marr it was work hard play hard. Aka training was aloud in VP. I wont believe otherwise until you show me some of your "Established Proof". You guys did ok in VP for the short time you were there. But you guys got burnt out and cry like bitches. And Vianna please get some raiding exp under your belt before comming in a raiding/training thread acting like you know some shit.

edit: Vianna, maybe if you were actually raiding when they implemented variances and FTE shouts - you would know they did this to counter poopsocking and less petitioning of GM's to see who got FTE snipes.

Look dude, training was never accepted by live sony csr reps. Non-csr meant no help recovering corpses. This non-csr tag was also given to fear/hate /sky, I certainly don't remember trains being accepted in those zones.

This post was made with the future of p99 in mind, so I'm not sure why you keep bringing up the past bud. Anyway rogean has already stated in this thread that p99's ruleset regarding VP was never meant to mirror the policies which live EQ had in place. This discussion is meant to shed light on that fact and other information regarding the topic. I also made this post to see where the server as a community stood regarding this topic.


I understand your reluctance to discuss any rule changes because the current rule set favors obe guild only at this point, and that's your guild.
Please try to understand though that there are thousand or so other players who invest time in this community who's opinion and knowledge should be taken into account when discussing matters such as this.

If the community as a whole decides that training is nothing more than cheap and unfair tactic used in order to gain an advantage and that it was in fact against the rules in all situations on live, who are you to say that isn't right? I didn't think one guild dictated the rules on the server regarding training and disruption of other players, even if said guild mistakenly interpreted a classic "non csr" policy to mean training was allowed. But again, I have no idea who or why this set of rules was put into place on p99, which is another reason I made this thread.

Just looked through afterlifes archived news updates from their first VP raid onwards and see no mention of training being allowed or any mention of them experiencing train wars on mith marr, btw.

[newsmurf]

p.s tassle man it would help a lot when you keep bringing up all these instances of "no training is alowed here etc.etc." or, tons of people say they quit p99 because "training this this or that raid mobs etc", if you just copy pasted these things from sites and posted them as examples. not trolling or anything, 100% constructive criticism it would make your claims more solid if you had examples.

[xmonkx]

Originally Posted by Tasslehofp99 [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Look dude, training was never accepted by live sony csr reps. Non-csr meant no help recovering corpses.

Just looked through afterlifes archived news updates from their first VP raid onwards and see no mention of training being allowed or any mention of them experiencing train wars on mith marr, btw.

Prove it?

And you looked through Afterlife's archives please show me this too because I raided with Afterlife. Again prove it. Your word is shit here Tassle. As I said, this is your thread, you have the burden of proof.

Mith Marr was a cutthroat server. Anyone from Mith Marr that plays on P99 can attest to that. Why do you think Cats and Hats left the server? Now dont get me wrong. Afterlife did some stuff to make the community happy. Open Hate/Fear raids for free loots. But when it came to contested mobs it was get the hell out the way or get ran over. Aka VP training.

[Vianna]

Originally Posted by xmonkx [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

As I said Tassle, I dont know what server you came from but on Mith Marr it was work hard play hard. Aka training was aloud in VP. I wont believe otherwise until you show me some of your "Established Proof". You guys did ok in VP for the short time you were there. But you guys got burnt out and cry like bitches. And Vianna please get some raiding exp under your belt before comming in a raiding/training thread acting like you know some shit.

edit: Vianna, maybe if you were actually raiding when they implemented variances and FTE shouts - you would know they did this to counter poopsocking and less petitioning of GM's to see who got FTE snipes.

Stop belittling people please. All of us raided on live and have plenty of experience with raiding. Most of us anyway on this server. It is no different here than it was there except for the mechanics involving variance and FTE shouts. If you want to tell me some grand difference please do so. Answer the question I asked instead of belittling people in hopes that they will back down from your aggressive and combative attitude.

BTW we (Full Circle at the time) got VS and Innoruuk right before the windows in variance were extended. We took advantage of late in window mobs to do so. That was going to be our strategy going forward because we simply were not a hardcore guild. We were raiding when FTE shouts were implemented a whole (gasps) 3 weeks ago. We did not raid the same way as TMO or FE at the time because we were mostly a casual guild. Most of the mechanics is to get rid of staff involvement I agree with you on that one... congrats. That doesn't change what I have pointed out to you. Which you seem to have no reply for.

Show me how training another guild is a viable tool with the current end game mechanics. Show me where it has a place at all on a PVE server. I am glad you are convinced it was allowed on Mith marr and it very well could have been. This server isn't Mith Marr. It is Project 1999. There are many things different here than there was on live on any server. The changes implemented by the staff here make it a competitive end game where guilds race. It also allows GMs to have very little involvement...which is a good thing. What you can't seem to reply to is HOW training another guild is a good addition to these mechanics in any zone (VP now or any in the future). It doesn't add to the game experience at all and it does nothing but drive some people away from the game. Congrats I guess if you enjoy that.

[xmonkx]

Originally Posted by Vianna [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

BTW we (Full Circle at the time) got VS and Innoruuk right before the windows in variance were extended.

Show me how training another guild is a viable tool with the current end game mechanics.

Grats? And you wonder why they moved to variances? Poopsock fest of 2013......

When was the last time someone killed a VP dragon... Seems like a good tool to me.

And also this isnt Mith Marr, but Rogean has spoken. QQ

[Alarti0001]

Originally Posted by Tasslehofp99 [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Sericx, we have already eatablished that training was never allowed on live and csr reps would punish those who committed intentional trains, regardless of where it occurred.

No you haven't.

[Vianna]

Originally Posted by Cecily [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

The normal first reaction to VP is terror and confusion. It's honestly quite fun though.

Fun for who ? I guarantee you could poll the people who have raided VP on this server and most of them will agree that they would prefer to race for mobs instead of training for hours in any zone. I think the results of this poll is showing that as well.

[Cecily]

So it's fun for the people who don't participate then. I could actually see that being true rofl.

[Cecily]

Disband TMO imo.

[Vianna]

Originally Posted by Cecily [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Disband TMO imo.

Don't start this rhetoric no one wants anyone disbanded. There are grudges I am sure on both sides of the fence in several guilds. I ask you what I asked Sericx. Looking at the mechanics. With variance with extended windows that require tracking and getting a raid force to a mob....FTE shouts letting guilds know who won the race... Show a viable reason why training another guild is needed. Just 1 viable reason why it should still be in the game at this point.