Is the raid scene really that bad?

[zel]

Tass didn't start this thread, and I think he has actually been pretty tame compared to how he usually crusades against TMO.

[quido]

yeah all his ranting and flaming is just backhanded now instead of pathetically in your face

[deneauth]

Just like Rogean has said several times in the past the community morphs the play style of the server. If you don't agree with something then do something to change it, whining hasn't solved anything in 3 years if a group of people want to dethrone the top dog nut up or shut up and just enjoy the game.

[Porz]

Originally Posted by deneauth [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Just like Rogean has said several times in the past the community morphs the play style of the server. If you don't agree with something then do something to change it, whining hasn't solved anything in 3 years if a group of people want to dethrone the top dog nut up or shut up and just enjoy the game.

I really can't wait until I get home and can comment my rant on this thread. But the biggest part of this is if you want to raid do it! As a guild stop focusing on "dethroning" and focus on a few targets and slowly progress more. No guild is going to hit the scene is dethrone tmo right buff the bat if ever! Don't rant/bitch/moan/complain and flame the top guild for being just that. Grow dome balls and do something about it. Use a methodical plan and execute and if you cannot do that then you don't have what it takes to being the second to top dog on the server (which seems like it is not the worst place to be) even if you're only getting 10-20% of spawns that's more gear than 0%!!

[Frieza_Prexus]

I've noticed that most guilds who try to make an entrance to the raid scene do it in an all or nothing way. You need a lot of people and a lot of spare accounts / resources to pull this off. TMO is so deeply entrenched and equipped that you're going to face severe burnout doing this.

It's so much smarter to start with a crew camped out and prepped for an outdoor dragon than it is to keep up with all of the junk that can spawn in a week. I imagine that if a guild was reliably dropping outdoor dragons that the applicants and resources would grow themselves. They're much easier to track, and TMO generally doesn't camp out for them. It's easy to gain a significant advantage on these mobs. Once that guild has a sizable lock on those targets then it can move to the others that require more coordination / mobilization such as Innoruuk and Draco. The key is to always retreat to the encounters that you have learned as an organization when you get bested elsewhere. Those constant kills are what keeps organizational momentum going. If you go after everything, every loss is a crushing defeat. If you "live" at the lesser targets every loss of a higher tier target simply becomes an exciting learning experience until you have that on lock down too.

Baby steps.

[deneauth]

For such a small community with so many high level characters we are really just lacking content at this point Velious will help with that immensely. Also I am not saying every guild who raids is out to oust TMO for top raid guild that is just silly. No one likes tracking an outdoor dragon for up to 4 days and losing it repeatedly it is demoralizing. There is such vicious competition for these targets that if you make one mistake that's all it takes to lose your window of opportunity. I was in VD for what I call my "dark days" of raiding because it was just an aweful experience for me. I personally think the raid scene is much better now as compared to then.

[gotrocks]

full circle confirmed gone.

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[Ezrick]

Originally Posted by Naena [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

So, I only just started a few weeks ago, but from what I hear TMO pretty much kills everything every time it's up. If you want your epics, you pay TMO for the pieces from the raid mobs that they kill.

Is that really how it is? If you aren't in TMO, is it really that rare to be able to kill any of the raid mobs or are people over exaggerating?

I don't have any problem with competition, I enjoyed raiding in EQ all the way up to Planes of Power and was part of top guilds on the server I played on. Maybe I'm remembering wrong, but I thought even then we set up rotations so it wasn't just one guild getting to do everything?

I'm enjoying my time playing again so far, but it seems like it would be pretty dull if at the end of it all it was just TMO farming all the raid mobs and nobody else getting to do much of anything.

The funny thing about the "raiding scene" is that there is a "raiding scene". It's not classic. Classically I remember Verant/SOE complaining about the excess time they had to devote to these encounters that would ever only be seen by 1% of the players.

WoW ruined you. Now everyone thinks they are entitled to the big, pink, teddy-bear. Classic EQ NEVER indulged the masses in a "raiding scene". Only the best (yes you will say 'no-job geek-living-in-momma's-basement) players could do it.

Obviously times have changed and EQ live is different, but we're talking 'classic' here.

[Naena]

Originally Posted by Ezrick [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

The funny thing about the "raiding scene" is that there is a "raiding scene". It's not classic. Classically I remember Verant/SOE complaining about the excess time they had to devote to these encounters that would ever only be seen by 1% of the players.

WoW ruined you. Now everyone thinks they are entitled to the big, pink, teddy-bear. Classic EQ NEVER indulged the masses in a "raiding scene". Only the best (yes you will say 'no-job geek-living-in-momma's-basement) players could do it.

Obviously times have changed and EQ live is different, but we're talking 'classic' here.

I spent many, many hours raiding in classic EQ. I'm not talking after Planes of Power when they added instances for everything either. Our server had at least 3 or 4 guilds that raided regularly, even more after Velious came out. I remember times of there being over 200 people at once in the Temple of Veeshan.

EQ classic had what, maybe 500k subscribers at its peak? I bet if you compare the ratio of players to people who got to see raid content in classic EQ, it's probably even higher than classic WoW was. Even before Kunark I remember at least 3 guilds doing Plane of Hate/Fear and getting Naggy/Vox kills before they brought out Sky. If I remember correctly each of those guilds had at least 50 people. I remember them doing a serverwide message at one point telling people to get their friends to log on because they were almost at a record of people online, was it 50,000 maybe? I'm sure most other servers had just as many people raiding as ours did, that seems like a pretty big raiding scene to me.

Anyway, all I wanted to know from posting this was if TMO were really this huge guild that took every single spawn within minutes and nobody else ever had a chance for anything. It sounds like others are able to get some spawns, but most of the server just isn't willing to put in the effort to challenge them. Sounds like FE is working on it, and I'm sure with Velious there being much more raid content for everyone that will help a lot too.

Thanks for the information everyone.

[Ezrick]

Originally Posted by Naena [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

I spent many, many hours raiding in classic EQ. I'm not talking after Planes of Power when they added instances for everything either. Our server had at least 3 or 4 guilds that raided regularly, even more after Velious came out. I remember times of there being over 200 people at once in the Temple of Veeshan.

EQ classic had what, maybe 500k subscribers at its peak?

Sounds about right, and there is no way anything close to 5000 individuals ever saw VP before Velious came out. 1000 or maybe even 2000 at that time is about right. I'm not talking about guilds going there once Luclin was live.