First to Engage: Exploiting the mechanic?

[Alarti0001]

Originally Posted by arsenalpow [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

No it hasn't. Training has ALWAYS been the policy in VP. If you're so confident why don't you sign a no-training clause for VP?

They would be accidental pulls... Cause thats how VP works.

[Droog007]

Originally Posted by Derubael [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Intentionally stalling a mob will always be against the rules. If you see it happening, fraps and petition...

So, TMO ... did you stall or not stall? You can talk about how organized and awesome you are for pages and pages, but the fact remains you tagged a mob with a force that could only survive, not win.

One could argue that the other force there was not too concerned with getting FTE if everyone was playing by the rules...

[Cecily]

Originally Posted by Droog007 [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

the fact remains you tagged a mob with a force that could only survive, not win.

*cough* Prove It *cough*

I'm done arguing with people on the internet over things that do not matter, for tonight. Night!

[Tycko]

This sounds like a case for the norrathian Supreme Court to hear, I would recommend a tmo or IB rule lawyer because they have a lot of experience. Good luck in court, the honorable judge rogean is on vacation I think .

[Ravager]

Originally Posted by Alarti0001 [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

They would be accidental pulls... Cause thats how TMO works.

FTFY

[Malone88]

Originally Posted by Hawala [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

It doesn't exactly have much to do with PVP, the pragmatism of this solution comes from preparedness. If one d-bag is exploiting by tagging a raid mob and kiting or something, you can just have the larger group take him out. Coupled with enormous variance, this would give smaller guilds who happen to be in the right place a much better chance at experiencing the content.

I mean if you see a TMO tracker tag something, just kill him. Problem solved.

+1 idea here.

Added rule: Guild loots one item from dead TMO tracker.
Raid Loot = TMO tracker loot + normal raid loot.

New Small Guild Strategy:
Poopsock TMO trackers.

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[Yapas]

Originally Posted by Brut [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Would srsly suggest putting back the ruling Ambrotos (I think? not sure, the old server chat thread is deleted methinks) made at one point wherein you weren't allowed to pull majority of raid targets out of their spawn areas. Draco had to be engaged in graveyard, Inny had to be fought at 2nd floor, there was something about not kiting entirety of PoFear while engaging CT, et cetera regarding maestros and whatnot.

Sound like dictatorial rules. Not surprise that rules come from Ambrotos.

[quido]

I'll be offering a dick tater tutorial this Thursday at 7pm.

[Heebo]

Originally Posted by Droog007 [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

So, TMO ... disurviving ll or not stall? You can talk about how organized and awesome you are for pages and pages, but the fact remains you tagged a mob with a force that could only survive, not win.

One could argue that the other force there was not too concerned with getting FTE if everyone was playing by the rules...

Please explain the difference between surviving and winning to me.

[Arteker]

Originally Posted by Origin [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

I don't want to do the same thing. I want to stop it from happening, because the mechanic is flawed and is being exploited.

Here's an example for you:

Team A has 20 people sitting at VS while Team B has 2;
VS spawns, and Team B (for whatever reason) FTEs;
Team A has a force that can engage and kill VS, Team B doesn't;
Team B batphones and within 60 seconds DOES have a force that can kill VS;
Team A is unable to do shit because 2 people were able to FTE and stall for 1 minute.

Does that shit seem fair to you? Similar shit happened with the last Talendor. TMO ended up getting the last FTE before kill, but took 7+ minutes to kite him while more of their members logged on. He was sniped by a force that was ready to engage immediately.

Seems fair because the 2 players where not slacking like the 20 ones. see last vs