Bandwagon Proposal Thread.

[BlkCamel]

Originally Posted by Alarti0001 [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

They have every chance to kill trakanon competitively to compete.

Is TMO going to promise not to use alt armies to guarantee no competition? If no poop-socking the zone while he is in window how can they compete?

[Alarti0001]

Originally Posted by Spitty [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Variance was a solution because nothing like this current discussion has ever happened, or been fruitful, between p99 raiders.

It would stand to reason that if an agreement was successfully hashed out and put into place, then variance could be removed. Variance = less mobs, no variance and an agreement = more mobs (1000%, apparently) for everyone.

Yay?

I support a reduction in variance, but not the removal. Variance was put in place to prevent poopsocking. Complete removal would incentivise poopsocking or "pseudo-pooping" Jugg raids, Hand/Jail camping, VP Spell farms in the Bedroom of VP....etc etc etc

[Spitty]

Good point.

[uygi]

Originally Posted by Sinestria [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

You chose to "compete" with them, that's on you. Asking for 50% of VS pops for the majority of the server to compete on is not unreasonable.

So I apologize for RL analogies for an elf simulator, but this would more or less be like you work really hard for a promotion for a year or two (or 5 or 10), and right before the next promotional opening gets filled, they decide to revamp the selection procedure to equally allow brand-new hires the same shot at the position, and then somebody tells you 'You chose to "work hard' for them, that's on you." Change happens, and somebody is inevitably going to be unhappy with almost any change, but try to understand where a lot of people are coming from.

And in case you're worried I'm lobbying for myself, I don't have much platinum and never did, and I have SK and wizard epics that I worked my ass off for in 2 different guilds (neither of which would probably qualify as Tier A under the definitions we're working with right now) plus a mage epic I bought which required me to sell most everything I had, including my only fungi back when the price had dropped to 30k. While I'm in a "Tier A" guild today, I got pretty much all my loot for all my characters without being in a Tier A guild. I didn't get it for free, I worked hard and made major contributions to my guilds over the course of years. I don't often see Tier B guilds working hard, even within their means, so forgive me for being a little cynical when they ask for stuff.

[Alarti0001]

Originally Posted by BlkCamel [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Is TMO going to promise not to use alt armies to guarantee no competition? If no poop-socking the zone while he is in window how can they compete?

The same way TMO did when were started against IB. We focused on Trak and VS and only those 2. Once we started playing better, responding to batphones, getting leveled/resist geared etc... we expanded our scope.

Alt armies DO NOT get FTE...
MOTIVATION gets FTE.

[BlkCamel]

Originally Posted by Alarti0001 [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

The same way TMO did when were started against IB. We focused on Trak and VS and only those 2. Once we started playing better, responding to batphones, getting leveled/resist geared etc... we expanded our scope.

Alt armies DO NOT get FTE...
MOTIVATION gets FTE.

By focused on do you mean, keep mains near target when in window? Maybe I am misunderstanding. Are you saying Full competition is allowed, i.e. poop-socking, on Trak/VS/CT?

[Vandy]

Originally Posted by Alarti0001 [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

No Poopsocking(Logged in at or near a spawn) Tracking obviously permitted.

This will need to be more defined. This says logged in at or near. Is logging out an army at a target in window covered in this as it is vague? Can/will you log out your buffed alts in KC at VS Pit/cube room? What is the limit on this, logging all characters out at KC zone in? If someone is facetracking are they allowed to engage the mob for FTE while thier camped guildmates are running from the zone in or cube room?


Having characters logged at Seb orb or inside Seb as opposed to the rock? So this becomes who has the most CoH mages to Coh thier logged out army from the zone In the fastest?

[Alarti0001]

Originally Posted by BlkCamel [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

By focused on do you mean, keep mains near target when in window? Maybe I am misunderstanding. Are you saying Full competition is allowed, i.e. poop-socking, on Trak/VS/CT?

No on poop-socking, its in the initial proposal.

What I mean about focusing is not spreading your resources too thinly.

[Alarti0001]

Originally Posted by Hasbinbad [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

You absorbed the zerg guild to get targets, but good job spinning history more.

That being said, I appreciate this idea for its logic and simplicity.

I hate myself for saying that..

I still like duelling for drafts better tho. :P

Zergling complains about zerging? IB/WA/Trans(Faillol)/DW/VD/FE
Tell me more.

TR has 90+ on raids very often. Got dem logs HBB.
IB had 60-70 on raids very often. Got dem logs.

[BlkCamel]

Originally Posted by Alarti0001 [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

No on poop-socking, its in the initial proposal.

What I mean about focusing is not spreading your resources too thinly.

so keeping them close to the zone that the priority target is in. I.E. Entire guild exping in Seb, or running forager cycles in trak getting ikky bp's while waiting for target to pop with just a tracker near spawn? How is this not poop-socking? As posted above this needs to be defined better but the rest of the proposal is pure gold.