Re: Raid Situation

[Jarnauga]

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[Rhambuk]

Originally Posted by Jarnauga [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

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Greatest thing ever.

speaking of math, which I hate more than anything, has anyone heard of the divine number? phi? some friends were trying to explain it to me as this intense discovery but its just some mathematical BS.

[citizen1080]

My brain hurts

[Razdeline]

The simple word solution to the problem is=

No one will ever get what they want. When BDA wants more, others will suffer. When BDA wants less(which clearly hasn't been conveyed at all), other guilds get more.

As Sirken has stated 1097978 times, no one will like any given solution, just pick something that is fair for everyone. Agree to the raid rules the staff put together yesterday, and build onto it through discussion. Not that hard.

[Uteunayr]

Originally Posted by Razdeline [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

The simple word solution to the problem is=

No one will ever get what they want. When BDA wants more, others will suffer. When BDA wants less(which clearly hasn't been conveyed at all), other guilds get more.

As Sirken has stated 1097978 times, no one will like any given solution, just pick something that is fair for everyone. Agree to the raid rules the staff put together yesterday, and build onto it through discussion. Not that hard.

BDA has shown a willingness to cooperate and share benefits, not to monopolize them. So, BDA wants more for the casuals so that a fair system is instituted, and the hardcores suffer in that they only get 3 mobs a day to compete over all month.

Originally Posted by Hitpoint [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

And they aren't discussed seriously anymore. FE original plan is gone, so are sloan's plans, so is Sirken and Derubael's plans. Rogean was the worst one that was ever proposed for T1. As soon as it was posted we had a forum post on our boards basically agreeing that it was one of the worst one's we've seen. In guild chat it was pretty unanimous. As far as I can tell, Rogean's plan is still being discussed because it's posted in a section where you can't see the overwhelming disgust for it. Only designated officers can post there, and they are trying to maintain composure.

The Staff plan originally was bad only to the extent that T1 had to split their mobs, and them compete over their half of the pie (excluding VP, which is another third of the pie).

The Adjusted Staff plan that was posted here by Chest after a conversation between a number of people including Autotune, Chest, myself, and others in another thread the night before the crash, is that the epic mobs (which were the central nasty feature for the T1 guilds) would have a 33% split, going Tier 1 -> Tier 2 -> FFA. This allows for Tier 2 players to compete with Tier 1 players once every 3 weeks, and if they choose not to compete, they will accept getting 1 per 3 weeks, while Tier 1 gets 2 per 3 weeks on the epic mobs.

The central feature, and the reason why an adjusted plan was proposed to offer a compromise to the Tier 1 guilds is that this allows for (which no other plan to date that has been proposed has allowed for) casuals to play casuals all month long, and for hardcores to play hardcore all month long. This means that hardcores never have to deal with petty rotations, dealing with BDA/Taken/Divinity/every other more casual guild, and that the reverse is true. It lets each play in the atmosphere that is classic to them. And if they want to get a greater share of epic mobs, while maintaining an even split of the regular raid mobs, and having access to VP, then they would go into it knowingly accepting that they will be playing in a hardcore style.

[chickmagnet]

You guys can whine all you want about what is fair and do calculations and even petition to GMs over the easiest/fairest way to do things.....but simply, this is how its going to turn out....so take notes....44 mobs? 9+ guilds want a piece? WRONG! u got 5 whiny guilds who don't do anything to try to get them, there are usually 4-5 trackers at a target's window at any given time, what do you know, those are usually the 4-5 guilds who actually get the kill....its surprising isn't it? they rotated and put in the time, and got the kill...I applaud guilds like Taken for camping out at Innoruuk to get kill, kudos to them...that's a whole guild effort to snag and monopolize a mob, unfortunately if camp out policy proceeds, will put u guys back to Ragefire...

[Nune]

Originally Posted by chickmagnet [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

You guys can whine all you want about what is fair and do calculations and even petition to GMs over the easiest/fairest way to do things.....but simply, this is how its going to turn out....so take notes....44 mobs? 9+ guilds want a piece? WRONG! u got 5 whiny guilds who don't do anything to try to get them, there are usually 4-5 trackers at a target's window at any given time, what do you know, those are usually the 4-5 guilds who actually get the kill....its surprising isn't it? they rotated and put in the time, and got the kill...I applaud guilds like Taken for camping out at Innoruuk to get kill, kudos to them...that's a whole guild effort to snag and monopolize a mob, unfortunately if camp out policy proceeds, will put u guys back to Ragefire...

you left out the part where angry nerds then train raids etc etc. Because this whole situation wasn't brought on by toxic, lifeless players trying to "monopolize" mobs they dont need. It was brought on by "a lack of effort"

Effort, being used in relation to a video game. Lol, the world must be scary where the bright sky thing shines and metal wheel box inventions zoom by

[Fael]

Originally Posted by Nune [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

you left out the part where angry nerds then train raids etc etc. Because this whole situation wasn't brought on by toxic, lifeless players trying to "monopolize" mobs they dont need. It was brought on by "a lack of effort"

Besides faz's long history of getting banned for ragefire related shinanigans, of which you were not present, what other first hand situations have you had with the "toxic, lifeless, monopolizing mobs they don't need" T1 raiders?

I only ask this because I've never seen you or your guild involved in the raid scene. This doesn't disqualify you from commenting or stating your opinions. However, you do so with a vehemence that suggests first hand knowledge, where it seems there isn't any to warrant your hate.

At least Chest has been around the block (much longer than me). His attitude can be explained (consistent lack of success [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.] ).

Dolic

[chickmagnet]

im sorry, I must have forgot that part! which example do you have of them training sir?

[arsenalpow]

Originally Posted by chickmagnet [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

im sorry, I must have forgot that part! which example do you have of them training sir?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vr7MZr9bnuk

just fazlazen, TMO officer