Can someone accurately explain GameGate in a sentence? - Page 11

loramin · #**101** 10-31-2014, 10:23 PM

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This is patently false. NOBODY is trying to put off equality in video games.

Do I really think there's a bunch of evil men (ie. "the man") working at places like EA trying to keep women out of video games? Of course not. Hell, I know some of the people who work at those companies, and I can guarantee they're not all male chauvinists.

But at the same time, we don't just live in this instant, we live in the context of everything that came before us. It's pretty hard to deny that our entire society was stacked against women for the longest time, and you can't just pretend that something that systemic goes away over night when it doesn't. Video games were and still are filled with male protagonists. They're filled with "women as objects", in the sense that the women depicted in them exist to be sexual, not to have individual personalities. And they're filled with lots of other signals that women aren't welcome.

Is that a generalization? Totally. Are there games and game companies doing a much better job? Sure. But if you really think we've reached a point of equality I'd suggest you read some of the writings of the women who started this whole thing, as they can explain the topic so much better than I could.

Servellious · #**102** 10-31-2014, 10:24 PM

What tanrin said

radditsu · #**103** 10-31-2014, 10:27 PM

You know whats a real issue with society?

I had 3 bigots who work in the office next to me call Tim Cook ( the most successful person to come out of my hometown) a "domestic terrorist" (an honest to god quote) because he entreats upon the idea of a traditional family and he steps on "moral" values due to the fact that he is gay. These three assholes use the code "Democrats" to refer to black people ( when they aren't calling them outright ******s).

THIS is a real problem you Human Paraquat's.

Fuck you all... Sidelle call me bitch.

loramin · #**104** 10-31-2014, 10:33 PM

I don't disagree with anything you just wrote. Quite the contrary, I think we're on the same page [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Look, the loudest voices on both sides of these debates are always the ones that get the most attention. But I really don't think anyone in this thread hates women, wants to see women get threatened with rape or death, or otherwise wishes to see the female gender kept out of the industry.

I just think that when people get too caught up in stuff that matters to them they can lose their empathy for others in the process. And I think a lot of that has happened with GamerGate.

radditsu · #**105** 10-31-2014, 10:39 PM

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Originally Posted by loramin [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Do I really think there's a bunch of evil men (ie. "the man") working at places like EA trying to keep women out of video games? Of course not. Hell, I know some of the people who work at those companies, and I can guarantee they're not all male chauvinists.

But at the same time, we don't just live in this instant, we live in the context of everything that came before us. It's pretty hard to deny that our entire society was stacked against women for the longest time, and you can't just pretend that something that systemic goes away over night when it doesn't. Video games were and still are filled with male protagonists. They're filled with "women as objects", in the sense that the women depicted in them exist to be sexual, not to have individual personalities. And they're filled with lots of other signals that women aren't welcome.

Is that a generalization? Totally. Are there games and game companies doing a much better job? Sure. But if you really think we've reached a point of equality I'd suggest you read some of the writings of the women who started this whole thing, as they can explain the topic so much better than I could.

Litterally every medium has overt and not so overt "Women as objects" in their respective medium. Middle Ages nudes...things we call the finest of art now... were painted so dudes can look at boobs in church. Comic books have done it for years. Movies have PORN. You can go to a strip club and have some skanky bitch put their vagina in your mouth if you pay enough....and some women call that FEMINISM and FEMALE EMPOWERMENT.

It is infinitely harder to break into a major comic book publisher, or Porn, or a Strip Club, than building a video game with your own voice and experience built into the narrative. They teach rudimentary app building in elementary school now. The only difference is that being a Stripper or a Porn star requires you to be gifted with titties and the ability to have no shame, and putting together a Comic Book or a Video Game requires mental fortitude and a drive to succeed, which isn't always brought to the forefront in Females in a ton of society. The Computer is a great equalizer. It does not object to anybody's output. Any person can #include<iostream> using namespace std. Any human being can open up a wordpad and write and edit and work. Any human being can compose and build music if that's their passion. Any Human, with the talent and an eye, can build a sprite sheet or 3d model and create a unique and beautiful art style and SPEAKS to people.

But lets blame 18-34 year old straight males for keeping everything oppressed guys. Especially since the current generation are 18-34 year old males aren't making all the rules yet, or even give much of a shit what skin color or gender you are. We still have some Baby Boomer rule to weather guys.

Aviann · #**106** 10-31-2014, 10:41 PM

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Originally Posted by radditsu [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

You know whats a real issue with society?

I had 3 bigots who work in the office next to me call Tim Cook ( the most successful person to come out of my hometown) a "domestic terrorist" (an honest to god quote) because he entreats upon the idea of a traditional family and he steps on "moral" values due to the fact that he is gay. These three assholes use the code "Democrats" to refer to black people ( when they aren't calling them outright ******s).

THIS is a real problem you Human Paraquat's.

Fuck you all... Sidelle call me bitch.

Yes... Yes! YES!!!! CALL HIM !

Glenzig · #**107** 10-31-2014, 10:42 PM

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This is patently false. NOBODY is trying to put off equality in video games. That's a dumb fucking statement. I am all for someone producing something women like and will buy in the millions and play and be happy and develop a real market for. Female equality in video games can already be obtained, if enough females were interested in doing so. (Societal problem not a "gamer" problem). It is easier its ever been to produce a game. Hell I see RPG maker type games being sold in the 10-15 dollar range every day, and you barely have to script those motherfuckers. (Last Dream is great ya'll). The market for women seems to fall squarely into the "phone games" square right now. Basically things that had mechanics like NES/Puzzle games. That's not to say that ALL women are like this, cause that's a dumb fucking generalization. The games are where the market takes them. By all means women, buy more games that you like. Don't blame men for playing a game as a stripper witch who's hair is a costume and fights people with a stripper pole, or a bitch who cuts zombies with a chainsaw.

Build something, build a following by producing quality. Invest in yourself, and produce something new and worthwhile that speaks to people. Stop fucking complaining that its unfair and people are trying to hold you down. Invest in a MBA, C# or hell even some python. Examine what works in soundtrack composition. Learn about 3 act structures and invest in your writing. Do something that SPEAKS to others for fucks sake. Bitching about in equality and unequal representation is fine when there aren't avenues for you to "Git Gud". I doubt there is one mid range development firm that would patently dismiss any female with qualifications and a passion for a genre. The old hand (Japanese) firms....maybe. Bioware, Blizzard, *ugh* Ubisoft, started from nothing, didn't get handed shit, and eventually cashed out and got ruined by publishers...the American dream

It's motherfucking sad that HIDEO KOJIMA and his INFINITE problems with women can build better, more fully realized female characters than anyone I have seen. (EVA and The Boss, MGS3) And that motherfucker put a bomb in a bitches vagina.

Have you played the new Tomb Raider? That bitch was a plant except when she climbed that tower, and when she got that fucking grenade launcher.

Yeah but that takes work and stuff. Its much easier to become internet famous.

Aviann · #**108** 10-31-2014, 10:43 PM

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Yeah but that takes work and stuff. Its much easier to become internet famous.

And thus we shall make the most ultimate band known to man... and premiere on youtube.

KagatobLuvsAnimu · #**109** 10-31-2014, 10:44 PM

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Right, so in what you just posted, where's the part that makes it ok to threaten people with rape and death?

Who said that? Why are you implying that anyone said any of that is ok? Links. Evidence.
Don't you realize that you're just repeating a baseless narrative.

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That's not the issue: the issue is that the GamerGate community hasn't disavowed them. To the contrary, many members of the community have defended them. I won't blame an entire group for the actions of a few members, but I will blame that group when they support their problematic members.

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radditsu · #**110** 10-31-2014, 10:46 PM

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Yeah but that takes work and stuff. Its much easier to become internet famous.

My incredibly intelligent 8 year old daughter says she wants to be a POP star, and a famous dancer. And all I want her to be in her life is a woman who is good at math, science and builds society better than I could ever possibly do. I am real nervous her mother (my first wife) will ruin any drive that she has because she is a triflin hoe who never did anything in her life besides fuck a dude that is as great as I am.