VP closed to Class R guilds?

[Erati]

Originally Posted by skipdog [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

great post. sad that so many can't grasp or agree with this logic...

wat?

No one is debating that TMO/IB don't 'earn' their VP pixels....they certainly put in more time than everyone else.

Myself, Raev and others just openly question why the Staff is so gunhoe to 'rewarding' that form of dedication over simply focusing on the mechanics of the raid scene and how it functions with the entire playerbase....not just the top 5% of the neckbeards.

I mean I am pretty damn neckbeardy myself, been here since 2009....I have 3 lvl 60s, and 2 lvl 50ies all raided out n shit yet I cant hold a candle to some of the top percenters.

I am sure there are plenty very similar to myself and its just an interesting platform to take.

Class R does not want VP handed to them at all. But if the cream is suppose to rise to the top then its just peculiar that there are so many fail safe filters ced cream has to pass tru to get there rather than just letting it happen.

[-TK-]

Originally Posted by Erati [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Class R does not want VP handed to them at all. But if the cream is suppose to rise to the top then its just peculiar that there are so many fail safe filters ced cream has to pass tru to get there rather than just letting it happen.

Perhaps my understanding of the raiding structure is unclear, as I'm just a minion. I thought that in order to be able to compete in class C you just have to kill a class C designated mob? What are these class C fail safes? If anything, it seems to me that class R wants the fail safes in case they can't cut-it in class C after trying.

Originally Posted by Man0warr [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

I'd rather work (raid) smarter - poopsocking for 16 hours is akin to working a double shift at McDonalds and KFC. Sure it's effort, but it doesn't mean you really used skill to accomplish anything.

I understand that completely, but I don't think that it will ever go away unless you pre-determine which guild gets which mob during each spawn. I don't see that happening. As long as there is one guild going against another for a mob, someone will always try to have the edge. Is this in the end why class R wants to do away with FFA? So class C can poopsock to their hearts desire while class R designates spawns?

Thanks for the dialogue. I'm developing a better understanding of what people really are looking for.

[Erati]

Originally Posted by -TK- [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

I thought that in order to be able to compete in class C you just have to kill a class C designated mob? What are these class C fail safes? If anything, it seems to me that class R wants the fail safes in case they can't cut-it in class C after trying.

Yes, to become class C you have to kill any Class C designated mob OR kill a dragon in VP which are all Class C 100% of the time

the failsafes I am referring to are the facts that there are even protected Class C spawns outside of VP. Since it was determined that over 90% of the FFA mobs would go to Class C guilds ( hardest working thus obtain more FTE pixels ) then a more realistic representative cycle for such a play style would be are simply FFA, with no protected C mobs outside of VP.

Since most casual scum guilds dont want to put the effort required to bag those mobs, these would not even be that heavily contested anyway but the fact remains right now there are a whole slew of mobs which are protected and can only be competed for by 2 guilds.

I get it, Class R guilds were getting 0% and the 30% we are getting now is seen as a 'gift', but from a mechanic standpoint it makes sense that Class C guilds are so advanced and they derive all their fun from beating others than they should be eager for that type of challenge ( no more Class C spawns outside of VP, only FFA )

Since this idea will be laughed at or seen as absurd, the next logical idea from a mechanic standpoint has been the other popular cut the FFA out of the cycle and have FFA only active on earthquakes but again Class C does not see any potential for this type of game play. They prefer having protected spawns.

Obviously Class R also prefers having protected spawns, who wouldnt, but R is the restricted class that needs as much help as it can get. The protected spawns are also more limited and as Sirken said last night before Stream got wonky " you are not suppose to retire your guild to Class R and live there".

I am kinda rambling now hmm lunch

[Man0warr]

Nah just this guy who posted the thread wants Class C to give up VP.

Most of Class R wants to remove FFA cycle to minimize the amount of time having to interact with Class C and also to eliminate poopsocking. But they don't care if Class C keeps VP exclusivity in the deal - that is their bonus for their time spent.

[-TK-]

Originally Posted by Man0warr [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Nah just this guy who posted the thread wants Class C to give up VP.

Most of Class R wants to remove FFA cycle to minimize the amount of time having to interact with Class C and also to eliminate poopsocking. But they don't care if Class C keeps VP exclusivity in the deal - that is their bonus for their time spent.

That seems a lot more logical than what I was taking away from this. I can't claim to know the full stance of the class R guilds but can only infer it from in-game conversations and forum posts. Thanks for pointing that out.

[Buhbuh]

On Red 99, VP is for whichever guild can take it forcefully. Don't wait in line anymore, bros.

I know this shit aggravates you. PM me, we'll get you setup. Bring your pals, group exp is fast. Come make gains and learn to PvP.

[Man0warr]

I'd rather work (raid) smarter - poopsocking for 16 hours is akin to working a double shift at McDonalds and KFC. Sure it's effort, but it doesn't mean you really used skill to accomplish anything.

[Ele]

Let's nuke the server and lock everyone into one account with limited password changes/resets.

[Ella`Ella]

Wipe it clean

[HeallunRumblebelly]

Originally Posted by Ella`Ella [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Wipe it clean

As someone with 8 or 9ish 60s, honestly , wiping it clean would bring such life back to this server.