VP closed to Class R guilds?

[-TK-]

Originally Posted by Raev [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

No one is disputing that FITEMOBS (this acronym was so much cooler when FE was still around) puts in more time.

What we are questioning is why, if the staff decided to go to a nonclassic raid system, was it one that rewarded people for staring at a wall (variance) and not for skill (repops).

I would say that from my experience in life in general, those that put more time and effort into something come out with the biggest rewards and usually skill is a bi-product of that time and effort. That seems logical to me as well.

[Erati]

Originally Posted by skipdog [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

great post. sad that so many can't grasp or agree with this logic...

wat?

No one is debating that TMO/IB don't 'earn' their VP pixels....they certainly put in more time than everyone else.

Myself, Raev and others just openly question why the Staff is so gunhoe to 'rewarding' that form of dedication over simply focusing on the mechanics of the raid scene and how it functions with the entire playerbase....not just the top 5% of the neckbeards.

I mean I am pretty damn neckbeardy myself, been here since 2009....I have 3 lvl 60s, and 2 lvl 50ies all raided out n shit yet I cant hold a candle to some of the top percenters.

I am sure there are plenty very similar to myself and its just an interesting platform to take.

Class R does not want VP handed to them at all. But if the cream is suppose to rise to the top then its just peculiar that there are so many fail safe filters ced cream has to pass tru to get there rather than just letting it happen.

[Man0warr]

I'd rather work (raid) smarter - poopsocking for 16 hours is akin to working a double shift at McDonalds and KFC. Sure it's effort, but it doesn't mean you really used skill to accomplish anything.

[-TK-]

Originally Posted by Erati [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Class R does not want VP handed to them at all. But if the cream is suppose to rise to the top then its just peculiar that there are so many fail safe filters ced cream has to pass tru to get there rather than just letting it happen.

Perhaps my understanding of the raiding structure is unclear, as I'm just a minion. I thought that in order to be able to compete in class C you just have to kill a class C designated mob? What are these class C fail safes? If anything, it seems to me that class R wants the fail safes in case they can't cut-it in class C after trying.

Originally Posted by Man0warr [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

I'd rather work (raid) smarter - poopsocking for 16 hours is akin to working a double shift at McDonalds and KFC. Sure it's effort, but it doesn't mean you really used skill to accomplish anything.

I understand that completely, but I don't think that it will ever go away unless you pre-determine which guild gets which mob during each spawn. I don't see that happening. As long as there is one guild going against another for a mob, someone will always try to have the edge. Is this in the end why class R wants to do away with FFA? So class C can poopsock to their hearts desire while class R designates spawns?

Thanks for the dialogue. I'm developing a better understanding of what people really are looking for.

[Raev]

Originally Posted by -TK- [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

I would say that from my experience in life in general, those that put more time and effort into something come out with the biggest rewards and usually skill is a bi-product of that time and effort. That seems logical to me as well.

Please replace "time and effort" in your paragraph with "staring at a wall for 16 hours" and see if it still makes sense to you.

There are quite a few people on this server who would like to see a full rotation on everything. I think that would be rather boring. If this server had 8 repops a month and was full FFA, your paragraph would actually make sense. The people that geared/leveled/improved coordination would do well, and those that did not would suck.

Also, there is no question in my mind that IB and TMO are in general better at that coordination than the R guilds. I was in IB for a while and its a well maintained ship with some nice people. I just didn't like the timesinks - it was jav spamming at the time.

[Ele]

Let's nuke the server and lock everyone into one account with limited password changes/resets.

[Ella`Ella]

Wipe it clean

[Erati]

Originally Posted by -TK- [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

I thought that in order to be able to compete in class C you just have to kill a class C designated mob? What are these class C fail safes? If anything, it seems to me that class R wants the fail safes in case they can't cut-it in class C after trying.

Yes, to become class C you have to kill any Class C designated mob OR kill a dragon in VP which are all Class C 100% of the time

the failsafes I am referring to are the facts that there are even protected Class C spawns outside of VP. Since it was determined that over 90% of the FFA mobs would go to Class C guilds ( hardest working thus obtain more FTE pixels ) then a more realistic representative cycle for such a play style would be are simply FFA, with no protected C mobs outside of VP.

Since most casual scum guilds dont want to put the effort required to bag those mobs, these would not even be that heavily contested anyway but the fact remains right now there are a whole slew of mobs which are protected and can only be competed for by 2 guilds.

I get it, Class R guilds were getting 0% and the 30% we are getting now is seen as a 'gift', but from a mechanic standpoint it makes sense that Class C guilds are so advanced and they derive all their fun from beating others than they should be eager for that type of challenge ( no more Class C spawns outside of VP, only FFA )

Since this idea will be laughed at or seen as absurd, the next logical idea from a mechanic standpoint has been the other popular cut the FFA out of the cycle and have FFA only active on earthquakes but again Class C does not see any potential for this type of game play. They prefer having protected spawns.

Obviously Class R also prefers having protected spawns, who wouldnt, but R is the restricted class that needs as much help as it can get. The protected spawns are also more limited and as Sirken said last night before Stream got wonky " you are not suppose to retire your guild to Class R and live there".

I am kinda rambling now hmm lunch

[Bazia]

you guys would have so much more fun endgame on red if you would spend the 3 weeks to level to it

not trolling at all or insulting blue, its just so much more dynamic and less dramatic

[Uteunayr]

Wipe it and split it. A rotation server for those that come from servers with a history of rotation, and a FFA server for those that come from servers with a history of FFA.