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[Gustoo]

I care most about low level pvp which is why i think a brsnd new server with classic item loot is best. Your idea is really awesome in its own right and would be better suited to the present server. As a cleric I dont relish the thought of losing stacks of regeants. Melee have less to lose...it kinda encourages pking for just plat items which seems to hurt level 60s which means no one will like the idea.

[Nirgon]

I do want people to be able to bag their gear when they don't want to risk it.

Like the people who semi-afk camp whatever stuff / PL new player groups.

Not to mention classic etc u know..

There's some other sections of the PNP regarding raid targets that I saw first hand become necessary on RZ. But we just got a big patch with tweaks supposedly already done and just waiting for another patch to come... I'll wait before stirring the "let's do some more shit!" pot. Free talent deserves praise during their break [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.].

[HippoNipple]

Originally Posted by Gustoo [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Melee have less to lose...it kinda encourages pking for just plat items which seems to hurt level 60s which means no one will like the idea.

Those fire shield pots are expensive and most melee like to have a lot of extra gear in backpacks for clickies. Trak BP and fungi? Might have to leave one in bank or use one of your valuable clicky spots in inventory.

[Kergan]

Originally Posted by Nirgon [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

FBH pretty damn easy to farm, fungi same, vs legs don't be a dum dum

Hate doesn't drop nearly enough gems right now... that should cover any issues

VS legs are BiS in Kunark for many classes. I tend to think of things that way.

One thing I definitely agree with is I don't remember diamond rings being a big deal on RZ. Everyone had multiple pairs lyin' around, to the point where most people would risk them in PVP. Here it seems they are a ton more rare and expensive.

[Kergan]

Originally Posted by Gustoo [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

On item loot Id probably be a pk avenger and just log on looking for known twink pks to do battle with even if I tend to lose it could help other lowbies get some levels while the twink dude is fighting me.

Here is the problem though. That gear you're supposedly taking off twinks has to come from someone raiding somewhere. You're basically stating you want top end raid gear by logging in a low level character and PVPing at your leisure. How can you not see the imbalance there?

And what does item loot have to do with it honestly? You can do the same exact thing on R99 now.

[Gustoo]

Originally Posted by Kergan [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

You're basically stating you want top end raid gear by logging in a low level character and PVPing at your leisure.

What you seem to be saying here is that you want to take top end raid gear and put it on a low level character and do whatever you want with impertinence?

The reward of high end raid gear on a lowbie is absolute pve domination and more or less absolute PVP domination. The risk in item loot server is that you might just go LD one day or your twink or PK might get jumped and robbed. Its a lot of fun and discourages twinking which on classic was basically considered dishonorable anyways.

As you can see it is a lot of fun, but I understand your perspective because you seem to be the exact minority type of player that item loot particularly hurts.

The benefit is that people can join the server and don't have to focus 100% of their efforts on making a huge push to level 60. They can goof around at low levels and have a completely different but equally rewarding experience, with real gains to be made when you get lucky and real incentive to do battle against scary twinks, preferably by leveling up to the point where you are still naked but 4 level above said twink PK, and then trying to get lucky.

Or whatever.

I've said it before and I'll say it again, different strokes for different folks. I think your best bet is to stay on R99 and enjoy this server which is a fantastic server, but remains pretty boring overall for low levels with little incentive to PVP, since all PVP is for a low level here is some guy ruining their good EXP group...zero reason for that group to spend time trying to actually get a kill on that player killer at all.

So for myself, I would be glad to abandon my hard work on R99 (saving it for a rainy day or whatever) and move on to a fresh new item loot server that follows an actual classic timeline and benefits from the years of pvp development we have been enjoying on current R99.

[Gustoo]

Diamond rings werent cheap but they were easy to buy instantly and any day of the week. Diamonds seem to be a lot more rare here it doesn't make sense to me but I dunno.

[Kergan]

The "different strokes" argument is bs. One side does all the work and takes all the risk. The other side gangbangs at a wizard spire with a bunch of classes with no gear dependency or waits for someone to go LD. I understand some people want to do that, hence why I think item loot is retarded.

[Gustoo]

I understand that you don't want to risk gear, which is why you have the option of gearing your characters with level appropriate equipment.

You tell me that you played on Rallos Zek but I feel like I need to explain the entire dynamic of an item loot system. It makes everything harder including being a twink. It makes being a twink PK both riskier and more rewarding, while offering minimum risk to the weakest and most disadvantaged player, the true noob who's entire wardrobe is essentially worthless. At the same time it provides a huge incentive to actually spend some time PVPing these "bad guys" because you might just walk away with a good piece of gear instead of simply being griefed with no chance of retaliation or reward except the hope that one day you can get OOR to that PK so you don't have to deal with him anymore.

Am I right to suspect that your whole standpoint is based on the fact that you can't bear the thought of losing a single pixel at any level under any circumstance?

[Kergan]

What something is worth to someone varies by time invested. To someone with multiple level 60s a SSB is vendor trash. To a legit level 48 who spent 2 days camping it the value is much higher.

And you act like for someone to twink and have a huge advantage in PVP they have to use high ticket droppable items. We've been through this. They aren't going to put recommended levels on shit, that isn't even close to classic and we have been down that road with the staff here many times.

I feel like you've played on R99 for about two weeks and are over romanticizing RZ style item loot.

And again, like I've said about 100x already in this thread - this has nothing to do with me risking items or losing them. This has everything to do with item loot making actual PVP shittier. You for some reason want to focus on some random bs happening in unrest at level 20 instead of how it impacts the vast majority of the server population. So captain hero pulls a CoF off some twink (which by the way, would likely be a legit twink there to exp and not some random ganker) and now is scared shitless to use it ever. Great system.

Dumb on RZ. Dumber here.