Necro, how do you not choose Iksar?

[Teppler]

If you're going to talk about maxing out a velious necro also take into consideration they have access to lifetap clickies.

[Daldaen]

32 at level 60***

But yea. It's not worth comparing any other class to Necro when evaluating the value of regen. Only Shamans have an okay argument.

[Teppler]

Originally Posted by ddxdy [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

The difference is those melees/tanks don't have a persistent 20 dmg/tick hitting them. That's what we're talking about, that's a fundamental part of the necro class.

It's useful but the argument against it is that it's marginal. Necros have access to great lifetaps that are DDs and DoTs that are hard to be resisted making them useful for both doing damage and healing the necro.

When high end necros in velious have DD clickies & lifetap clickies, what are you really going to be using mana on?

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[Daldaen]

Originally Posted by Teppler [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

If you're going to talk about maxing out a velious necro also take into consideration they have access to lifetap clickies.

There are two.

1 from VP
1 from Velketor

The Velketor one sucks. The VP one is good. Even with those, a gnome will have to spend more time clicking 10s cast time rings or staves to top his health off than an Iksar will. That Iksar will be able to med more or cast more in that time.

A high end raiding Necro will be spending The majority of their mana twitching. Occasionally getting a few DoTs on a raid mob is nice (though stacking isn't nice until PoP). Many times there are only magic immune raid mobs in camp so you can't lifetap. You can stalking probe or holgresh beads but that's time wasted and mana wasted if you don't have a VP staff, mana that could've been another CH.

[Teppler]

Originally Posted by Daldaen [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

There are two.

1 from VP
1 from Velketor

The Velketor one sucks. The VP one is good. Even with those, a gnome will have to spend more time clicking 10s cast time rings or staves to top his health off than an Iksar will. That Iksar will be able to med more or cast more in that time.

A high end raiding Necro will be spending The majority of their mana twitching. Occasionally getting a few DoTs on a raid mob is nice (though stacking isn't nice until PoP). Many times there are only magic immune raid mobs in camp so you can't lifetap. You can stalking probe or holgresh beads but that's time wasted and mana wasted if you don't have a VP staff, mana that could've been another CH.

There's a number of ways you can make use of a high end necro. 1 of them is raiding. 1 is solo farming. The other is group farming. On a good deal of raids you'll still have targets you can lifetap which helps add to dps so it's not a complete wash. And lifetap dps can be very useful when solo and group farming.

If you have all the gadgets, what are you using your mana on when soloing/group farming?

[pharmakos]

so this thread has degraded to "what do necros even need mana for anyway?"

lol the fear of lizard is strong

[Teppler]

Originally Posted by pharmakos [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

so this thread has degraded to "what do necros even need mana for anyway?"

lol the fear of lizard is strong

No need to dumb down the debate.

Shaman have gone through the very same thing when talking about the benefits of Troll regen at 60 when they have Torpor. I think it's the same. The regen is useful, most useful on raids, but outside that, kinda marginal.

[pharmakos]

the opposite is true for Necromancers. the regen is better for solo/group than for raids.

[Teppler]

Originally Posted by pharmakos [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

the opposite is true for Necromancers. the regen is better for solo/group than for raids.

Na. It's more useful in raids where there's no mobs to lifetap for sure. Outside that it's only firmly better in certain situations. If you can make use of lifetap dps, how much more useful do you believe it to be and why?

[pharmakos]

i suppose i have 45second long Kunark raids in mind when i think of how regen doesn't mean crap for raids. it will certainly matter in long Velious fights.