The legality of vigilantism is fundamentally flawed

[Angushjalmur]

Sometimes the truth makes you upset, huh?

[Angushjalmur]

Would it sweeten the deal if we used them as lab rats before we killed them?

[Ahldagor]

Originally Posted by maskedmelon [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Shame is an integral component of functional society. Without it we might all behave indiscriminately in each our own self interest with no regard for our fellow humans. It is a mechanism of encouraging compliance with societal standards. It is a natural response to evaluation of oneself relative to standards and is a motivator for improvement. It is one of the bonds by which society is forged. It's absence suggests apathy.

Were you raised in a Catholic orphanage? Shame is not integral to anything but personal morality if ascribed to by the individual.

[maskedmelon]

Originally Posted by Ahldagor [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Were you raised in a Catholic orphanage? Shame is not integral to anything but personal morality if ascribed to by the individual.

Noooo, you cane be ashamed of all kinds of things that have may or may not have something to do with morality, like being stupid or poor or fat or clumsy or dependent or dishonest. It's about evaluating oneself relative to standards, often societal, but they can also be communal like those of a team or class, or familial, or even personal. Shame is essentially a feeling of remorse or regret inadequacy at one's own shortcomings whatever they may be, not necessarily moral, they can be practical or even superficial.

[Ahldagor]

Originally Posted by maskedmelon [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Noooo, you cane be ashamed of all kinds of things that have may or may not have something to do with morality, like being stupid or poor or fat or clumsy or dependent or dishonest. It's about evaluating oneself relative to standards, often societal, but they can also be communal like those of a team or class, or familial, or even personal. Shame is essentially a feeling of remorse or regret inadequacy at one's own shortcomings whatever they may be, not necessarily moral, they can be practical or even superficial.

So it's invalid subjectivity. You do realize you're harping on one specific definition of shame with that while the others deal primarily in morality, right? Still doesn't counter my original analogy. Should you feel the need to respond then you should trace the logic of your stance as you should through an ethic that should be ascribed to being outside of should which should surmise in should being the key indicator of invalid subjectivity.

[Daywolf]

Originally Posted by maskedmelon [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

So you believe that all people with shitty upbringing will always be shitty adults and become criminals?

Look at the inner-cities that are burning. Family structure has been destroyed. I know it's not the entirety of the problem, but it's the starting point. Fatherless children growing up, no real guidance, no mentoring. In the case of blacks, it's even worse since if the fatherless children do find a mentor; it's government sponsored, black liberation theology churches or inner-city gangs (or all of the above).

And I believe they are actually targeted to be that way, by local, state and federal government. Like one of my fav Reagan quotes "government isn't the solution to the problem, government is the problem" (but not that there should be no govt). They use psychology to manipulate the various groups, it's literally in everything now, even f2p mmo's.

When babies are born, they are born completely sociopathic. It takes us a while to realize that the universe in fact doesn't revolve around us. And it's not just automatic, it takes a good deal of basic wisdom and usually within the first 12 years of development. Wisdom often comes by fire and trial, unless you are fortunate to have someone teach you as best they can. Nothing too complicated that a low IQ cant learn, while high IQ no great advantage.

But not saying that the totality of humanity is pure evil, there is some evil that just must be learned before doing, even of the unthinkable as it were. Just that we are all void, but not soulless. We even have emotional responses by nature, but those responses can eventually be nullified if such acts are committed over and over. Even to the point of a negative response becoming a good response and a desire for it.

I think of humans as like a base code, all the needed code to operate, layers of code (not getting too technical here). just like a program works, but very advanced as in sentient AI (no emphasis on the Artificial, but just to provide the familiar). Everyone is imprinted the same in the beginning much like a template including all the code to basically function. Including firmware to interact with the body, it's a complete system. The brain is basically a CPU and data storage unit, very mechanical. But what we are, at our core, we're data, and everything else in our system (body etc) is there as an environment to develop our data, and much of it programmed from the external throughout our lives.

Now, introduce a virus. Introduce various anti-virus programs. And finally when the system fails (the cpu, the power supply etc), the totality of the data can be transferred. After all, everything in our environment is very possibly digital. A sort of computer running a simulation of sorts.

Now, for um crime and punishment, there just comes a point that they are so corrupt, there is no coming back. I don't think we are born as total psychopaths, but that is simply the cascade effect of an introduced virus to the system. If dealt with early, it can be anti-virused out before damage to the system is done, but at some point it does damage the base code and overwrites ethical reasoning subroutines. Not that a sociopath is ethical, but whatever could have been developed over that becomes fundamentally broken, like a hard drive making "click of death" noises and begins behaving erratic. Either the system is allowed to corrupt and destroy other systems, or it is shut down.


tl;dr we're living in a digital simulation, full of consequences to our own actions.

[Jarnauga]

Originally Posted by Angushjalmur [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Sometimes the truth makes you upset, huh?

If for you Justice is "who gives a shit if there's innocent people convicted", i'm baffled, and im not gonna keep talking to an obvious moron, yep.

[Daywolf]

Originally Posted by Jarnauga [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

If for you Justice is "who gives a shit if there's innocent people convicted", i'm baffled, and im not gonna keep talking to an obvious moron, yep.

why...? france celebrates the french revolution every year. You think the (((guilty))) were having their heads chopped off? Men, women and children, whole families. pffff go throw a party.

[Jarnauga]

Originally Posted by Daywolf [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

why...? france celebrates the french revolution every year. You think the (((guilty))) were having their heads chopped off? Men, women and children, whole families. pffff go throw a party.

We're not celebrating chopping heads off, we're celebrating the start of the republic.

4th of july is about the indpendance of the usa, not killing british. Nowutimean ?

[Daywolf]

Originally Posted by Jarnauga [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

4th of july is about the indpendance of the usa, not killing british. Nowutimean ?

You don't know the difference between an army and the families consisting of men, women and children? Did the Continental Army even make it a common practice of capturing soldiers in the revolutionary war and beheading them all in public squares? At the conclusion of the war, did we round them all up and chop off heads? That's savagery. There were issues on both sides, but in the end, we didn't decimate them. And they were soldiers even.