Vex Thal and Srra Temple + AA's

[PL_Barton]

I personally would love to see AA's however with that you will obviously have to add additional raid content. When guilds kill dragons in <5 mins AA's would make it a 1-2 group thing.

I wasn't a big fan of Luclin, the whole moon thing turned me off, but when I look back, I didn't play it much before PoP came out. I never got to see very many of the zones and couldn't distinguish its content from PoP.

Getting to 60 doesn't really drive me because I know once I do, it is just a poop sock fest for gear. With AA's it would be different.

[Erati]

for some reason Ssra Temple only makes me think of https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kxop...ature=youtu.be

weird...

[Uuruk]

Originally Posted by Erati [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

for some reason Ssra Temple only makes me think of https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kxop...ature=youtu.be

weird...

Erati, the titanic finally sank.

[Erati]

Originally Posted by Uuruk [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Erati, the titanic finally sank.

hahaha - did you note the time?! id like to que it up

[fadetree]

Yeah, I get ya, I think, it's just I don't agree with you on what constitutes too much. Also, I don't think the concept of 'never allow anything to trivialize content' works for a game that has any kind of progressive expansions.

What really got me though was when defiant started dropping...I was like...wtf they aren't even trying anymore. I was ok with stuff through PoP, although I knew it had gotten inflated, but what came after was bad and then the defiant thing just was the last straw.

[Jimjam]

Fair enough.

I think we disagree on defiant too; I viewed it as an updated version of cloth/raw-hide/chain/bronze. People complained it made PoTime gear redundant, but I think the truth is it actually wasn't as good as ~10 year old raid gear at level 65.

Although I feel gearflation really started as soon as classic EQ was released, PoTime was powerful! I agree on that! It seemed ridiculous to me that you could bypass a decade of group content gear because you raided PoTime.

[maskedmelonpai]

The only way to combat gear inflation is with lateral progression. The simplest way to do this is to implement new statistics related to a specific content release that is needed for that release and possibly future releases, but has no effect really on past releases. Essentially your character does t really become much more powerful relative to old content, but you are actually able to do the new content. Ideally, underused old world locations would be updated with content releases to include new drops with stats for new content. Keep you pushing that button since none of it actually matters anyway :3

[lurk]

Vt handed out 125/125 gear with a million resists to all and simple to max FT. Following PoP progression you dont really see such upgrades over velious until EP or damn near there. My guild on live skipped luclin while our closest comptetior farmed VT. I never regretted our decision, we competed and out progressed them by a little...they never made it to time. I quit banging my head against uqua and the guild folded not long after..

Luclin serves no purpose other than to make sure easy loot is handed to poop sockers

[pasi]

Originally Posted by lurk [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Vt handed out 125/125 gear with a million resists to all and simple to max FT. Following PoP progression you dont really see such upgrades over velious until EP or damn near there. My guild on live skipped luclin while our closest comptetior farmed VT. I never regretted our decision, we competed and out progressed them by a little...they never made it to time. I quit banging my head against uqua and the guild folded not long after..

Luclin serves no purpose other than to make sure easy loot is handed to poop sockers

There were 1 or 2 guilds where I'm from that skipped Luclin and went straight into PoP progression. I always thought it was dumb to do.

VT gear was comparable and often times better than Elemental Plane Gear due to AC/atk/focus/mods/etc vs the 10-20 HP difference. VT stuff generally had better focus effects than gear Pre-PoTime given the higher percentage and the fact that spells you used weren't always scaled down much.

The sheer number of items was the biggest difference though. Fire was a loot pinata, no doubt. However, it was also priority #1 on a reset for uber guilds (outside of blocking coirnav if a guild is 3/4). Although not to the samedegree of Fire, water was easy loot too. Other than those zones, PoP was pretty slow for gearing a guild.

PoE and PoA rings were so much effort for some shitty loot. Half of our guild would rather take the DKP hit than do air or earth rings. The pre-eplane stuff was even shittier effort vs reward. Shit like Saryrn and Bertox were several hours for 2-3 bad pieces. I like to think they kept it this way so people only wanted them for flags.

Anyhow, if you have tanks geared enough (or are willing to defer all loot to) it makes sense to rush straight to PoTime. My argument is that gearing through Ssra/VT is preferable to farming non-time PoP though.

Time of course, is a loot pinata, but that's only 1-2 days of the raid week.

[lurk]

We had no problems doing PoP in shit gear..though we were cockblocked on RZ and had to poopslck the triggers back in 2004? Even then we were often trained by the top guilds. We did RZ with 40-50. Impressively our VT comptetition did him with less than 40. And xegony with less than 30. Both our guilds always pulled kills with pretty low numbers, difference being low number coirnav and rathe aint happening, which put us ahead. The only advantage VT gives is more resists, EP gear is slightly suppior.

Honestly though mobs like bertox, mith marr even rydda dar were huge pains to do in shit gear. We still managed.

Fire was a shitshow between us. We often had 'fte' disputes. With our rivals going as far as BDAing our tank on reparm or highsunning arch magus. Good times though, id never give up those memories for an instance