Greens sounds so pleasant

[Wallicker]

A bard can swarm kite crushbone naked at lvl 2 if I don’t run into any shamans looping around the castle... I can swarm kite the unrest yard naked with a drum at lvl 5... once you get selos it becomes really easy... and yea 3 dmg doesn’t sound like much but x25 it’s a 75g per tic mana free dot that I can play endlessly that has -100mr effect so reds die too. Not to mention at lvl 8 you can buy a 4gold lute that doubles your damage. At lvl 10 bard is doing 220ish dmg per tic with a full kite... at 18 that bard is doing 550dmg per tic on a full kite without instrument swapping. It is insanely Powerful once you master it. You will never get hit never have to stop to med or heal and can kill as fast as you can find enough mobs.

[Osprey39]

Originally Posted by Wallicker [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

A bard can swarm kite crushbone naked at lvl 2 if I don’t run into any shamans looping around the castle... I can swarm kite the unrest yard naked with a drum at lvl 5... once you get selos it becomes really easy... and yea 3 dmg doesn’t sound like much but x25 it’s a 75g per tic mana free dot that I can play endlessly that has -100mr effect so reds die too. Not to mention at lvl 8 you can buy a 4gold lute that doubles your damage. At lvl 10 bard is doing 220ish dmg per tic with a full kite... at 18 that bard is doing 550dmg per tic on a full kite without instrument swapping. It is insanely Powerful once you master it. You will never get hit never have to stop to med or heal and can kill as fast as you can find enough mobs.

I know you are knowledgeable about bards Wallicker and I respect what you're saying. I would love to watch and see how you avoid getting bash and instakilled by the Legos by the castle because I know that's where I would fail miserably. I think it is absolutely safe to say though that you are not the average player when it comes to playing bards, you're much better at it than most. I seriously doubt the average jackass would be able to pull off what you're talking about.

That said, my one question still remains. How at 3 damage per tick (or even 6 if it's doubled with a lute) are you going to stop people from peeling mobs off your stack while you're running around a place like CB? How can you stop say a Wiz from nuking your mobs and taking the xp or a pet class like a mage necro from sticking their pets on them and stealing xp that way?

See that's the only reason why I'm even arguing about this is because people are making it sound like bards are going to keep everyone else stuck at level 1 with no mobs to kill to advance. I don't think it's possible if the other players don't have a problem with stealing their mobs because a full group of players can easily out-damage a single bard's PBAE DoT and do damage > 50% thus getting the xp for the mob. Feel free to point out the flaw in what I'm saying if there is one.

[sox7d]

i played a ranger through classic and kunark. as far as the hybrid exp penalty exclusion, the biggest problem with it was how much misinformation was rampantly spread about it.

what people heard: "hybrids have a 40% exp penalty that applies to groups"

what people thought: "every mob we kill has its experience cut in half and then divided amongst all of us"

what it actually meant: "a level 43 ranger is taking as much experience as a level 45 warrior."


the devs are my idols and i cannot thank them enough for giving me my favorite game of all time for a decade, but i really wish they would have put out an official PSA about the reality of the exp penalty that caused so much anti-social behavior from its misinterpretation.

[NegaStoat]

Originally Posted by Osprey39 [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

See that's the only reason why I'm even arguing about this is because people are making it sound like bards are going to keep everyone else stuck at level 1 with no mobs to kill to advance.

Think outside the box, or in this case, outside the dungeon. In open air locations like butcherblock, Oasis, etc, a bard can grab a bunch of mobs and conveniently run them to a remote location within the zone where they won't be bothered and slowly kill them there. The average player wanting to peel some off isn't going to have the chance, or simply won't be bothered to constantly move to wherever the bard decides to start killing.

See - Lake of Ill Omen. Now apply this to multiple open air zones and multiple bards working them.

[Osprey39]

Originally Posted by NegaStoat [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Think outside the box, or in this case, outside the dungeon. In open air locations like butcherblock, Oasis, etc, a bard can grab a bunch of mobs and conveniently run them to a remote location within the zone where they won't be bothered and slowly kill them there. The average player wanting to peel some off isn't going to have the chance, or simply won't be bothered to constantly move to wherever the bard decides to start killing.

See - Lake of Ill Omen. Now apply this to multiple open air zones and multiple bards working them.

I am thinking like outside the dungeon lol. I can see where it would be an issue in the outdoor zones but as I said earlier, it's easy enough to avoid the outdoors zones if you want to.

I should probably state that I have no issue with them nerfing the number of mobs bards can hit with their AE. I just don't think it's going to be a bard apocalypse when Green launches. At this point though, both sides have had their say and it will be up for time to tell who was right.

[Wharfrat]

The only thing for certain is that you guys will argue/lawyer/bicker/bitch about anything

[Byel]

Originally Posted by Wharfrat [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

The only thing for certain is that you guys will argue/lawyer/bicker/bitch about anything

[Quinas]

Won't be too upset if they can't get spellbook medding working. Such a silly concept.

[GreldorEQ]

High pop at launch, then when people realize how hard it is, it'll drop way off.

"Snare doesn't stack with root?!"
"I can't solo on my Pally?!"
"Trueshot Bow requires how much Fletching?!"

Oh man, it's going to be so much fun! It'll be kinda hard for bards to swarm with 50 people in every single zone.

[Mblake81]

Originally Posted by Quinas [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Won't be too upset if they can't get spellbook medding working. Such a silly concept.

What I worked out was the spellbook pops up on screen, with a meditate and stand button beneath it. Chat boxes and health/mana bards remain on screen but everything else fades to blackness.

Just not made for widescreen with no standard UI.

I thought it was a good RP concept and was well done. Listening to the sounds around me while I couldn't see anything, totally focused on my spellbook. Putting my 3d positional audio card to good use. Finally being relieved when I had mastered it enough to not need it and could see.