new patch ench charm - Page 11

Blingx · #**101** 04-20-2011, 12:38 PM

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Originally Posted by Glitch [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Here's a post from PoP era, where they apparently decided to nerf DPS on charmed mobs in new zones because of how disgustingly OP charm was. Important parts bolded.

From FoH forums,
http://www.fohguild.org/forums/90145-post124.html

Possible problems with this source(Goshan) are the fact that it is a post about charm in 2003 with no cites to any of his claims about how charm used to be. There is a 2 year gap and multiple expansions between his present charm and how he remembers charm.

I am not saying what he says is false, I am simply saying his credibility is low... Sorta like his post count.

Edit:
He says "'we' would solo fire giants" for the thrill with an 80% chance of death if charm broke at the wrong time.
definition of 'we' would be nice:
(1)enchanters as a whole
(2)me and my friend (insert healing class here) <--- common mistake of many solo claims using "we"
(3)me and 5 spectators (rest of group, their contribution to my soloing the FGs was negligible obv)
ect.

He also mentions a botted cleric/druid to heal making charming better, leading me to believe definition (2) was his intent.

ziahh · #**102** 04-20-2011, 12:45 PM

ur right about the 2 yeah cap. not debating that but the guy that posted back in 2002 or 2003 talk about how he recall charm being in the previous expension and the original era. That i think is what is relevent about that post.

Blingx · #**103** 04-20-2011, 01:00 PM

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Originally Posted by ziahh [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

ur right about the 2 yeah cap. not debating that but the guy that posted back in 2002 or 2003 talk about how he recall charm being in the previous expension and the original era. That i think is what is relevent about that post.

Ya it sorta makes sense but before we start searching out scientific data on memory clarity over a period of time lets just agree that 2 years and multiple expansions and countless patches will have an effect on remembering exactly how an event really went down.

His recollection of 'soloing' may have been before a major change to charm or after a major change to charm. His recollection could be of "that one time I was bored and all velious mobs were dead so I went to FGs/GhoulLord/ect." His recollection has a high chance of being cloudy(in his favor or against it) most likely in his favor or he would not use it in his argument of course.
A cliche saying may be, "Close, but no cigar."

ziahh · #**104** 04-20-2011, 01:11 PM

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Originally Posted by Blingx [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Edit:
He says "'we' would solo fire giants" for the thrill with an 80% chance of death if charm broke at the wrong time.
definition of 'we' would be nice:
(1)enchanters as a whole
(2)me and my friend (insert healing class here) <--- common mistake of many solo claims using "we"
(3)me and 5 spectators (rest of group, their contribution to my soloing the FGs was negligible obv)
ect.

now when he refer to we he is refering to the enchanters not a group.
this is what he says:
Back before kunark, we would go solo fire giants for the thrill. IT was damn scary because a charm break at the wrong time meant about an 80% chance of death.

doubt solo means a group here...

ziahh · #**105** 04-21-2011, 12:56 AM

Last combat i had :

express
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[Thu Apr 21 00:45:06 2011] You begin casting Allure.
[Thu Apr 21 00:46:03 2011] Your Allure spell has worn off.
[Thu Apr 21 00:46:08 2011] You begin casting Allure.
[Thu Apr 21 00:46:21 2011] Your Allure spell has worn off.
[Thu Apr 21 00:46:31 2011] You begin casting Allure.
[Thu Apr 21 00:46:39 2011] Your Allure spell has worn off.
[Thu Apr 21 00:47:09 2011] You begin casting Allure.
[Thu Apr 21 00:47:34 2011] Your Allure spell has worn off.
[Thu Apr 21 00:47:41 2011] Insufficient Mana to cast this spell!
[Thu Apr 21 00:47:42 2011] You begin casting Gate.
[Thu Apr 21 00:47:48 2011] LOADING, PLEASE WAIT...
[Thu Apr 21 00:48:04 2011] You have entered Trakanon's Teeth.
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i dont even have time Debuff and re mem spell that charm break ><

Full Fight :

[Thu Apr 21 00:44:59 2011] Logging to 'eqlog.txt' is now *ON*.
[Thu Apr 21 00:45:02 2011] You begin casting Tashanian.
[Thu Apr 21 00:45:03 2011] A sebilite golem glances nervously about.
[Thu Apr 21 00:45:03 2011] Mcbard tells the guild, 'basilisks = ph'
[Thu Apr 21 00:45:06 2011] You begin casting Allure.
[Thu Apr 21 00:45:08 2011] Midious tells the guild, 'Nachtmystium consent'
[Thu Apr 21 00:45:10 2011] Your Mesmerize spell has worn off.
[Thu Apr 21 00:45:13 2011] Targeted (NPC): a leprous scarab
[Thu Apr 21 00:45:13 2011] Right click on the NPC to consider it.
[Thu Apr 21 00:45:14 2011] a sebilite golem tells you, 'Attacking a leprous scarab Master.'
[Thu Apr 21 00:45:15 2011] Your Mesmerize spell has worn off.
[Thu Apr 21 00:45:15 2011] A sebilite golem hits a leprous scarab for 121 points of damage.
[Thu Apr 21 00:45:16 2011] Targeted (NPC): a sebilite golem
[Thu Apr 21 00:45:16 2011] Right click on the NPC to consider it.
[Thu Apr 21 00:45:17 2011] You begin casting Wonderous Rapidity.
[Thu Apr 21 00:45:22 2011] A sebilite golem hits a leprous scarab for 147 points of damage.
[Thu Apr 21 00:45:24 2011] A sebilite golem begins to move with wonderous rapidity.
[Thu Apr 21 00:45:28 2011] Spell set Allure-Kill loaded.
[Thu Apr 21 00:45:28 2011] You forget Allure.
[Thu Apr 21 00:45:28 2011] You forget Wonderous Rapidity.
[Thu Apr 21 00:45:29 2011] Beginning to memorize Color Skew...
[Thu Apr 21 00:45:29 2011] A sebilite golem bashes a leprous scarab for 13 points of damage.
[Thu Apr 21 00:45:29 2011] You have finished memorizing Color Skew.
[Thu Apr 21 00:45:30 2011] Beginning to memorize Allure...
[Thu Apr 21 00:45:30 2011] A sebilite golem hits a leprous scarab for 64 points of damage.
[Thu Apr 21 00:45:30 2011] A sebilite golem hits a leprous scarab for 85 points of damage.
[Thu Apr 21 00:45:30 2011] You have finished memorizing Allure.
[Thu Apr 21 00:45:31 2011] Woodelfw tells the guild, 'rods in back'
[Thu Apr 21 00:45:31 2011] A sebilite golem hits a leprous scarab for 147 points of damage.
[Thu Apr 21 00:45:32 2011] A sebilite golem hits a leprous scarab for 116 points of damage.
[Thu Apr 21 00:45:34 2011] A sebilite golem kicks a leprous scarab for 3 points of damage.
[Thu Apr 21 00:45:35 2011] A sebilite golem hits a leprous scarab for 116 points of damage.
[Thu Apr 21 00:45:37 2011] A sebilite golem hits a leprous scarab for 105 points of damage.
[Thu Apr 21 00:45:37 2011] A sebilite golem hits a leprous scarab for 74 points of damage.
[Thu Apr 21 00:45:38 2011] A sebilite golem kicks a leprous scarab for 4 points of damage.
[Thu Apr 21 00:45:41 2011] Woodelfw tells the guild, 'the other back'
[Thu Apr 21 00:45:41 2011] A sebilite golem hits a leprous scarab for 126 points of damage.
[Thu Apr 21 00:45:41 2011] A sebilite golem hits a leprous scarab for 110 points of damage.
[Thu Apr 21 00:45:42 2011] You can't use that command right now...
[Thu Apr 21 00:45:42 2011] Your spell fizzles!
[Thu Apr 21 00:45:43 2011] You begin casting Color Skew.
[Thu Apr 21 00:45:43 2011] A sebilite golem hits a leprous scarab for 85 points of damage.
[Thu Apr 21 00:45:44 2011] Jynira tells the guild, 'i like it when they run when im holding rods [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]'
[Thu Apr 21 00:45:45 2011] A leprous scarab is stunned by scintillating colors.
[Thu Apr 21 00:45:45 2011] A sebilite golem hits a leprous scarab for 136 points of damage.
[Thu Apr 21 00:45:46 2011] Auto attack is on.
[Thu Apr 21 00:45:46 2011] You crush a leprous scarab for 2 points of damage.
[Thu Apr 21 00:45:47 2011] A sebilite golem hits a leprous scarab for 131 points of damage.
[Thu Apr 21 00:45:47 2011] A sebilite golem hits a leprous scarab for 74 points of damage.
[Thu Apr 21 00:45:48 2011] A sebilite golem kicks a leprous scarab for 7 points of damage.
[Thu Apr 21 00:45:48 2011] Your target is too far away, get closer!
[Thu Apr 21 00:45:49 2011] A sebilite golem hits a leprous scarab for 49 points of damage.
[Thu Apr 21 00:45:49 2011] A sebilite golem hits a leprous scarab for 49 points of damage.
[Thu Apr 21 00:45:51 2011] Auto attack is off.
[Thu Apr 21 00:45:52 2011] A sebilite golem hits a leprous scarab for 90 points of damage.
[Thu Apr 21 00:45:52 2011] A sebilite golem hits a leprous scarab for 126 points of damage.
[Thu Apr 21 00:45:54 2011] A sebilite golem hits a leprous scarab for 147 points of damage.
[Thu Apr 21 00:45:56 2011] A sebilite golem hits a leprous scarab for 147 points of damage.
[Thu Apr 21 00:45:57 2011] A sebilite golem kicks a leprous scarab for 14 points of damage.
[Thu Apr 21 00:46:00 2011] A sebilite golem hits a leprous scarab for 105 points of damage.
[Thu Apr 21 00:46:00 2011] A sebilite golem hits a leprous scarab for 74 points of damage.
[Thu Apr 21 00:46:02 2011] A sebilite golem bashes a leprous scarab for 11 points of damage.
[Thu Apr 21 00:46:02 2011] A sebilite golem hits a leprous scarab for 85 points of damage.
[Thu Apr 21 00:46:03 2011] Your Allure spell has worn off.
[Thu Apr 21 00:46:06 2011] Tasloin tells the guild, 'basilisks are not ph'
[Thu Apr 21 00:46:06 2011] Targeted (NPC): a sebilite golem
[Thu Apr 21 00:46:06 2011] Right click on the NPC to consider it.
[Thu Apr 21 00:46:08 2011] You begin casting Allure.
[Thu Apr 21 00:46:11 2011] Heartbeats tells the guild, '...thats...what...she...said'
[Thu Apr 21 00:46:15 2011] Targeted (NPC): a leprous scarab
[Thu Apr 21 00:46:15 2011] Right click on the NPC to consider it.
[Thu Apr 21 00:46:16 2011] a sebilite golem tells you, 'Attacking a leprous scarab Master.'
[Thu Apr 21 00:46:16 2011] A sebilite golem hits a leprous scarab for 100 points of damage.
[Thu Apr 21 00:46:16 2011] A sebilite golem hits a leprous scarab for 105 points of damage.
[Thu Apr 21 00:46:16 2011] A sebilite golem kicks a leprous scarab for 8 points of damage.
[Thu Apr 21 00:46:18 2011] A sebilite golem hits a leprous scarab for 116 points of damage.
[Thu Apr 21 00:46:20 2011] A sebilite golem hits a leprous scarab for 79 points of damage.
[Thu Apr 21 00:46:20 2011] A sebilite golem bashes a leprous scarab for 12 points of damage.
[Thu Apr 21 00:46:21 2011] Your Allure spell has worn off.
[Thu Apr 21 00:46:22 2011] Tasloin tells the guild, 'broog can be one of the spawns sometimes'
[Thu Apr 21 00:46:25 2011] Targeted (NPC): a sebilite golem
[Thu Apr 21 00:46:25 2011] Right click on the NPC to consider it.
[Thu Apr 21 00:46:26 2011] You begin casting Fetter.
[Thu Apr 21 00:46:28 2011] Your eyes stop tingling.
[Thu Apr 21 00:46:28 2011] A sebilite golem's feet adhere to the ground.
[Thu Apr 21 00:46:31 2011] You begin casting Allure.
[Thu Apr 21 00:46:37 2011] Targeted (NPC): a leprous scarab
[Thu Apr 21 00:46:37 2011] Right click on the NPC to consider it.
[Thu Apr 21 00:46:38 2011] a sebilite golem tells you, 'Attacking a leprous scarab Master.'
[Thu Apr 21 00:46:38 2011] A sebilite golem kicks a leprous scarab for 3 points of damage.
[Thu Apr 21 00:46:39 2011] Midious tells the guild, 'anyone else need a drag?'
[Thu Apr 21 00:46:39 2011] Your Allure spell has worn off.
[Thu Apr 21 00:46:40 2011] Your strength fades.
[Thu Apr 21 00:46:40 2011] Heartbeats tells the guild, '<-- enchanter buffs'
[Thu Apr 21 00:46:41 2011] Targeted (NPC): a sebilite golem
[Thu Apr 21 00:46:41 2011] Right click on the NPC to consider it.
[Thu Apr 21 00:46:43 2011] Insufficient Mana to cast this spell!
[Thu Apr 21 00:46:44 2011] Insufficient Mana to cast this spell!
[Thu Apr 21 00:46:46 2011] You forget Calm.
[Thu Apr 21 00:46:48 2011] The pulsing energy fades.
[Thu Apr 21 00:46:49 2011] Heartbeats tells the guild, 'i know mad ppl just got rezzed'
[Thu Apr 21 00:46:57 2011] Targeted (NPC): a sebilite golem
[Thu Apr 21 00:46:57 2011] Right click on the NPC to consider it.
[Thu Apr 21 00:47:01 2011] Beginning to memorize Gate...
[Thu Apr 21 00:47:01 2011] You have finished memorizing Gate.
[Thu Apr 21 00:47:05 2011] Insufficient Mana to cast this spell!
[Thu Apr 21 00:47:05 2011] Your spell is interrupted.
[Thu Apr 21 00:47:06 2011] Insufficient Mana to cast this spell!
[Thu Apr 21 00:47:09 2011] You begin casting Allure.
[Thu Apr 21 00:47:16 2011] Targeted (NPC): a leprous scarab
[Thu Apr 21 00:47:16 2011] Right click on the NPC to consider it.
[Thu Apr 21 00:47:17 2011] a sebilite golem tells you, 'Attacking a leprous scarab Master.'
[Thu Apr 21 00:47:17 2011] A sebilite golem bashes a leprous scarab for 11 points of damage.
[Thu Apr 21 00:47:19 2011] A sebilite golem hits a leprous scarab for 74 points of damage.
[Thu Apr 21 00:47:19 2011] A sebilite golem hits a leprous scarab for 141 points of damage.
[Thu Apr 21 00:47:21 2011] A sebilite golem hits a leprous scarab for 147 points of damage.
[Thu Apr 21 00:47:21 2011] A sebilite golem hits a leprous scarab for 49 points of damage.
[Thu Apr 21 00:47:25 2011] Myuharin beams a smile at froglok kor shaman
[Thu Apr 21 00:47:25 2011] Myuharin says 'Ahhh, I feel much better now...
[Thu Apr 21 00:47:26 2011] A sebilite golem bashes a leprous scarab for 13 points of damage.
[Thu Apr 21 00:47:27 2011] A sebilite golem hits a leprous scarab for 131 points of damage.
[Thu Apr 21 00:47:32 2011] A sebilite golem hits a leprous scarab for 59 points of damage.
[Thu Apr 21 00:47:33 2011] You begin casting Fetter.
[Thu Apr 21 00:47:34 2011] Your Allure spell has worn off.
[Thu Apr 21 00:47:35 2011] You can't use that command while casting...
[Thu Apr 21 00:47:35 2011] A leprous scarab's feet adhere to the ground.
[Thu Apr 21 00:47:41 2011] Insufficient Mana to cast this spell!
[Thu Apr 21 00:47:41 2011] Your spell is interrupted.
[Thu Apr 21 00:47:42 2011] You begin casting Gate.
[Thu Apr 21 00:47:48 2011] LOADING, PLEASE WAIT...
[Thu Apr 21 00:48:04 2011] You have entered Trakanon's Teeth.

Pezmerga · #**106** 04-21-2011, 07:49 PM

I think what Glitch said earlier made sense. How many Chanters on live back in the day were using tash AND malo for charmed pets?

Lasher · #**107** 04-22-2011, 12:17 AM

In groups? Most imo. I know i always tried to get malosini line on my charmed pet if i had a mage/sham. I used to duo BoT mini bosses with mage as an ench quit well

Glitch · #**108** 04-22-2011, 01:21 PM

Well, BoT was in some expansion long after I stopped playing. By then, people figured out how to play. The point I was trying to make is that in 1999, people didn't understand the game mechanics as well as they did later on and may not have known how critical MR was to charm.

Pezmerga · #**109** 04-22-2011, 02:24 PM

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Originally Posted by Lasher [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

In groups? Most imo. I know i always tried to get malosini line on my charmed pet if i had a mage/sham. I used to duo BoT mini bosses with mage as an ench quit well

Yeah sorry about that, I meant early on in EQ. Everything was trial and error so people didn't always use the best tactics. It isn't proof, but obviously using Malo and Tash will make Charm seem OP'd compared to not using Malo.

Blingx · #**110** 04-22-2011, 07:08 PM

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Originally Posted by Pezmerga [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Yeah sorry about that, I meant early on in EQ. Everything was trial and error so people didn't always use the best tactics. It isn't proof, but obviously using Malo and Tash will make Charm seem OP'd compared to not using Malo.

I would be inclined to believe this, however, this line of thinking is also in direct contrast to what many pro-charm posts have been saying. Namely the "I can't solo xx anymore," "Back in my day we solod xx for fun," "ect."

Where are the "malo + tash and my charm is less or equal to charm without malo or tash." posts/logs/ss/data.