28 Hours and 24 min since last Manastone

[Nikkanu]

This is crazy. I didn't start on Blue server until late 2013 and have multiple Manastones on Blue without investing 50+ hours straight to camp one. I can't imagine putting so much effort into camping one on a server where they will be super common and worth a fraction of what they are worth on Blue.

[bubur]

Originally Posted by Nikkanu [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

This is crazy. I didn't start on Blue server until late 2013 and have multiple Manastones on Blue without investing 50+ hours straight to camp one. I can't imagine putting so much effort into camping one on a server where they will be super common and worth a fraction of what they are worth on Blue.

Wtt manastone for rubi BP + fbss

Not real btw don't send me forum msgs...but yes you will see this in the next 6 months

[zaneosak]

You guys that are complaining with 0 proposed solutions should go into American politics. You'd be some top notch career politicians and make a lot more money than selling your manastone for usd could ever make.

[Videri]

Originally Posted by zaneosak [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

You guys that are complaining with 0 proposed solutions should go into American politics. You'd be some top notch career politicians and make a lot more money than selling your manastone for usd could ever make.

I mean, some of them are putting forward some possible tweaks. For example:

Originally Posted by Crovax [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Maybe a slight change to either the spawn timer, or rate. Or keep it the same but give people away to sleep every 24-36 hours.

Someone suggested limiting /list time to 8 hours or something. That would cause faster list turnover and somewhat randomize the recipient, while also not incentivizing being on the list for longer than 8 hours. It might be hard to predict the metagame that will result from changes like this, but it's probably worth discussing.

[Almond]

Originally Posted by zaneosak [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

You guys that are complaining with 0 proposed solutions should go into American politics. You'd be some top notch career politicians and make a lot more money than selling your manastone for usd could ever make.

I don’t need to propose a solution my goal has already been completed. We are 11 pages deep... I got people talking about the issue.

Phase two - I’ll update tomorrow with mana stone drops and estimated total camp times...

The masses are still leveling up... if nothing is done the total camp times will only increase as the queue for /list gets longer each day as more show up... that means more people going for it and passing out...

I’ll provide data let’s see where it goes.

[Spock2020]

I thought I saw rogean saying manastone, guise and jboots gonna become no trade at one point and for sure before merge with blue.

[ZiggyTheMuss]

Originally Posted by Crovax [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

No but it would allow people to sleep. If I decided to do it with friends or guilds I can sleep. Which makes it not like suicide. But my suggestion isn't just, "Remove the list". That is just one suggestion. My suggestion is currently just: The current list mechanic has the consequence of staying up non-stop for 60+ hours and that is extremely unhealthy.

It would "allow" people to sleep. LOL. All of the healthy people with minimal mental illness don't need someone else to "allow" them to sleep in the first place. We are going to keep coming back to this point which you can't see or refuse to see for some reason.

Originally Posted by Crovax [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

I like my suggestion of just allowing a sleep break after someone has been at the camp doing the afk check for 24 hours straight. We can currently already be logged out for the 900 seconds. So just make an option like that that is allowed after 24 hours but instead of 900 seconds it is 6 hours or so and only usable once every 24 hours. But that is just one suggestion and I am sure the guides, and devs would be able to think of a better one. I talked to a guide earlier about this and they said they have talked about the issue so I know they are at the very least thinking of it.

This is a suggestion, sure. Not a good one. Imagine being number one in line at the camp, then all of a sudden 10 random people just woke up from their "6 hour sleep breaks" and now you are number 11. This is just going to create an even larger convoluted mess and will leave everything further and further away from Nilbog's vision than where we are now with the list.

Originally Posted by Crovax [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

You really are enjoying the straw man tactic, uh? Again. I am not here saying, "This is the best method use mine!" And I am certainly not saying, "Remove the list and everything would be perfect!". But I would rather have a few elite guilds hoarding it then people playing to the point of exhaustion and passing out at 60 hours. Though I would prefer an alternative version of /list. Maybe a slight change to either the spawn timer, or rate. Or keep it the same but give people away to sleep every 24-36 hours.

Propose a real alternative then instead of whining like a little bitch all day. Removing the list is out of the question (see: unpaid staff)

Silly me though trying to debate realistic solutions with somebody who someone finds time to stay up for 50 hours to stare at a virtual wall on the internet to obtain an item that will marginally improve your gameplay... I am now off to go handle some of these real life obligations now that you may have heard other people talk about from time to time.

Good luck in there! Don't forget to stretch and stay hydrated. <3

[Crovax]

Originally Posted by ZiggyTheMuss [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

It would "allow" people to sleep. LOL. All of the healthy people with minimal mental illness don't need someone else to "allow" them to sleep in the first place. We are going to keep coming back to this point which you can't see or refuse to see for some reason.

I am talking about the game mechanics being used as intended. If you are saying, "A sane person wouldn't do that", and also, "I think a sane person wouldn't use the mechanic but lets not change it at all" then that makes no point. Just like when you said, "Using the mechanic is suicide" then, "Lets not change it at all". We are going to keep coming back to this point which you can't see or refuse to see for some reason.

Originally Posted by ZiggyTheMuss [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

This is a suggestion, sure. Not a good one. Imagine being number one in line at the camp, then all of a sudden 10 random people just woke up from their "6 hour sleep breaks" and now you are number 11. This is just going to create an even larger convoluted mess and will leave everything further and further away from Nilbog's vision than where we are now with the list.

That's fair but like I said. My main point isn't, "I have a perfection solution". It's, "There is a problem and it should be addressed".

Originally Posted by ZiggyTheMuss [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Propose a real alternative then instead of whining like a little bitch all day. Removing the list is out of the question (see: unpaid staff)

Sounds like you are trying to distract from the issue. Again. I will repeat. My main point was never, "I have a perfect solution that will make everyone happy and it is _______". My point from the start and to the finish is the current method as intended has a consequence of people to remaining awake and vigilant for 60+ hours and that is extremely unhealthy.

Originally Posted by ZiggyTheMuss [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Silly me though trying to debate realistic solutions with somebody who someone finds time to stay up for 50 hours to stare at a virtual wall on the internet to obtain an item that will marginally improve your gameplay... I am now off to go handle some of these real life obligations now that you may have heard other people talk about from time to time.

I find it so odd. You have called using the current system the same as suicide. You try to demean people using it as well and then turn around and defend it lol.I took time off work to do this. I am going to do it. But I am going to give appropriate feedback as someone who has done it.

I imagine since the devs are looking into it they are going to want feedback from people who did it. And not from people who think it is suicide, and the people who do it are to be demeaned---But then for some reason are happy with it lol.

Originally Posted by ZiggyTheMuss [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Good luck in there! Don't forget to stretch and stay hydrated. <3

Thanks. I will pass that message to the people in the group [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.] I know we are butting heads on this issue but it is clear we both care about this project.

[bubur]

A lot of suggestions put forward here so far and I'm not saying they suck

But

Keep in mind the staff is working with the titanium client under contract with dbg. Nobody but them knows the details of what is a) mechanically possible and b) contractually possible

For example, they may have wanted to randomize the location of afk check boxes, but couldn't due to one of the above reasons. TLDR the more a "solution" increases in complexity, the more unlikely it is. In the end, you can ask them to increase the drop rate, at best.

Hek even the current list system may have been pushing it

[bubur]

Well I mean don't feel too good cuz we get a 10 page manastone thread every day

Data is good though. Staff likes data