"Need before greed"

[Nagoya]

Damn I read the first 3 pages of this thread and then I jumped to page 10 and now I am here and I must say.

Hazek you are pretty mad about this.

[Smellybuttface]

Originally Posted by Nagoya [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Damn I read the first 3 pages of this thread and then I jumped to page 10 and now I am here and I must say.

Hazek you are pretty mad about this.

You should see their posts on Rants and Flames. Truly historic. One of the funniest threads I've ever read.

Note: Nordok is Hazek.

https://www.project1999.com/forums/s...d.php?t=344861

Which btw, Nordok didn't you say you were quitting the game? "...EQ causes me to stray but thank God He help me quit again with two bad pulls to catalyze it. My characters are already deleted."

If you deleted your characters and quit the game, why are you so enamored with the forums?

[Leifer7inches]

I think in a PUG that can stay together for many hours during a session, they might be able to amicably come to an agreement that greed is a perfectly "fair" way to distribute the loot. Especially if there is some sort of turn taking involved for multiple drops of the same high value items.

In most PUG's I have been in the turnover rate of it's makeup is arguably too high to make that arrangement seem "fair." I don't know how many times I've seen a new replacement join the group and win a drop within 20 minutes while that melee has been in the group for 8+ hours and can't seem to ever win that desperately needed upgrade.

The argument often times given is that "what comes around, goes around" and your RNG will perhaps be hot some other day. I think that argument might hold if you play for an infinite amount of time, but many people just don't have that many hours to put in.

NBG just has too many bad actors that go and sell that item even if they claim to need it. While Greed is at the mercy of RNG for all its faults - unequal time put in at a camp, inefficient distribution so players have to waste hours in EC tunnel trying to sell items they don't need to get items they do need.

PUG's just have a tougher time in most aspects of the whole game, and loot distribution is just another example.

[veldan]

Best policy I've found with PUGs is to just do greed rolls and you decide as a player to go with need and give your winning roll to someone in the group you feel is worthy of the upgrade. Fairest distribution I can come up with.

Helps you earn friends and build a reputation as well.

[GuiltyLight]

I've never really understood the idea behind nbg. Whether someone can use it or they can sell it for something they need is the same thing. And I've seen enough people do something stupid like swap out a visible piece of gear when something drops just so they can roll need on it. If it's guildies or friends, sure. But a random pick up group?

I mean honestly for low value items, who cares. But no one's rolling need on a mega drop. Sorry. That's the exact same amount of platinum saved to anyone in the group.

But obviously this is easily solved by loot rules just being stated up front. If I join a group and the leader says it's need before greed, I think that's stupid as hell but that's what I will go by. Although conveniently people begin to support nbg a lot more of when it's a camp with something they can "use". And the number of times I have seen someone need and then I see them in East Commons auctioning it off later that evening is well into the dozens.

And if it is need before greed, at the very least, if the item you're replacing is worth something you should be having the group roll on it. Frankly I really don't care either way. I make most of my platinum solo to begin with. It's just that need before greed is nonsensical. It doesn't matter if someone's going to use it right that second or if they're going to go to the tunnel and get something they need with it. It's greedy either way. There's no such thing as need.

[Jimjam]

Originally Posted by GuiltyLight [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

I've never really understood the idea behind nbg. Whether someone can use it or they can sell it for something they need is the same thing. And I've seen enough people do something stupid like swap out a visible piece of gear when something drops just so they can roll need on it. If it's guildies or friends, sure. But a random pick up group?

I mean honestly for low value items, who cares. But no one's rolling need on a mega drop. Sorry. That's the exact same amount of platinum saved to anyone in the group.

But obviously this is easily solved by loot rules just being stated up front. If I join a group and the leader says it's need before greed, I think that's stupid as hell but that's what I will go by. Although conveniently people begin to support nbg a lot more of when it's a camp with something they can "use". And the number of times I have seen someone need and then I see them in East Commons auctioning it off later that evening is well into the dozens.

And if it is need before greed, at the very least, if the item you're replacing is worth something you should be having the group roll on it. Frankly I really don't care either way. I make most of my platinum solo to begin with. It's just that need before greed is nonsensical. It doesn't matter if someone's going to use it right that second or if they're going to go to the tunnel and get something they need with it. It's greedy either way. There's no such thing as need.

Make part payment in exchange for the item, tell them the rest of your plat is on another toon. Then switch to other toon and start spamming them with "FU ON UR 'need' ROLL BRO" and refuse to make the rest of payment.

[Xeddzul]

Oddly enough I joined an Unrest FP group last night. 5 minutes in and Savant's Cap drops (upgrade for me). I suggest we greed and the group insists on NBG instead. I win the cap and then win the earring 10 minutes later...

[Hazek]

Originally Posted by Xeddzul [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Oddly enough I joined an Unrest FP group last night. 5 minutes in and Savant's Cap drops (upgrade for me). I suggest we greed and the group insists on NBG instead. I win the cap and then win the earring 10 minutes later...

Kinda silly eh? Grats though Lol

[Mendo]

The same casters that demand for greed roles will ask you to give them valuable words to research with. I’m great with all sorts of group loot set ups.

[Canelek]

Need Before Greed is fucking stupid in a PUG. I am sure someone has cited the FBSS/Moonstone Ring or that one guy's T-Staff implosion examples at this point.